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Fr. McBrien’s Back

From my site:

Here is Fr. Richard McBrien, T.V. theologian extraordinaire, on the liturgical posture known as ad orientem — a combination third rail and touchstone for liturgical experts and innovators — in a recent column:

Thus, when the priest was at the altar, with his back to the congregation, while reciting prayers in Latin in a barely audible manner, the message was clear, even if not explicit. The priest is the one who makes the Mass happen (the old textbooks referred to it as "confecting the Eucharist"), while the laity are present essentially as onlookers …

And here is Pope Benedict, writing as Cardinal Ratzinger, in chapter 3 of The Spirit of the Liturgy on the very same subject:

The turning of the priest toward the people has turned the community into a self-enclosed circle. In its outward form, it no longer opens out on what lies ahead and above, but is locked into itself. The common turning toward the East was not a "celebration toward the wall"; it did not mean that the priest "had his back to the people": the priest himself was not regarded as so important. For just as the congregation in the synagogue looked together toward Jerusalem, so in the Christian Liturgy the congregation looked together "toward the Lord".

As one of the fathers of Vatican II's Constitution on the Liturgy, J.A. Jungmann, put it, it was much more a question of priest and people facing in the same direction, knowing that together they were in a procession toward the Lord. They did not lock themselves into a circle, they did not gaze at one another, but as the pilgrim People of God they set off for the Oriens, for the Christ who comes to meet us….

You decide which explanation reflects a healthier understanding of worship, ecclesiology, Church history, and the ordained priesthood.

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    Father McBucketbrain, and just in time for Christmas!

    Notre Dame U. ought to hold its head bowed in shame for giving this idiot (read: confirmed heretic) a forum from which to pour out his emptiness.

    As for Benny XVI, it is almost ho-hum to find this man in sterling reliability and a most powerful humility as guide to our Faith. Staunch and firm and righteously righteous, it just isn’t noticed that the guy seems to tend to leave his ego in his other pants.

    I remain your obedient servant, but God’s first,

    Pristinus Sapienter

    (wljewell @mail.catholicexchange.com or …yahoo.com)

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    No No No!

    I do not like to disagree with my good friend PS. However I do disagree strongly with him and Rich Leonardi’s article.

    Fr McBrien is no idiot.

    One May disagree with him. Consider him wrong or mistaken, but to insult him by calling him an idiot is unfair to him and to the Church which he serves.

    Some time ago I had an opportunity to hear him and he struck me as a sincere Catholic priest doing his best to spread the kingdom.

    Please look at Fr Richard McBrien.

    God bless,

    NoelFitz.
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    Except the man, priest or not, would be the imperial chancellor of the Kingdom, and frequently tell Christ what is good for the Kingdom . . .

    No – maybe not ‘idiotic’ – how about ‘absurd’?

    The man is on record as defending the indefensible, yea, even Catholics practicng abortion.

    He questions Magisterium over his breakfast cereal, and causes others to feel confident doing likewise.

    That isn’t idiotic, perhaps – just endangering souls – maybe, then, ‘evil’ pertains?

    I remain your obedient servant, but God’s first,

    Pristinus Sapienter

    (wljewell @mail.catholicexchange.com or …yahoo.com)

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    Did Cardinal Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict XVI) prefer the priest to face the same way as the congregation at Mass? Did he disapprove of the priest facing the people?

    If so, is there any move to go back to the old way?

    God bless,

    NoelFitz.
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    In necessariis, unitas; in dubiis, libertas; in omnibus, caritas
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    He has made his preference for returning to the priest facing the altar with the congregation at Mass known before he became our beloved Benedict XVI. (For me, he can only get more beloved.)

    His reasoning is that, first, it is powerfully ancient tradition, as the early Fathers attest. Second, such face-to-face enclosed-circle rite for the Mass has never been prescribed by any Magisterial or Council findings. It is one more distortion allegedly ‘encouraged’ by Vatican II.

    The Mass has become too much a ‘community’ thing rather than the fully Christocentric celebration it should be. Indeed, crossing one priest about his terribly ‘personal’ Mass brought out the most ego-driven clericalism I have ever encountered – even as he would probably claim that the way he says Mass is directly counter-clericalist. (He was also fond of ‘communal confession’ without cause; and, all in all, among the aging congregation, quite popular.)

    Given the costs of changing altar configurations, Benedict XVI will probably encourage ‘re-modeling’ and require only of newly-built churches. However, in many cases. the altar is on enough of an extended pedestal to permit the 180 degree turn of the priests at Mass.

    I remain your obedient servant, but God’s first,

    Pristinus Sapienter

    (wljewell @catholicexchange.com or … yahoo.com)

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