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Communion Confusions

Are Catholic politicians who support legalized abortion automatically excommunicated? No. May they rightly receive Communion? Here, too, the answer is no.

It required top-level confusion and an official clarification to bring it about, but at least we now have up-to-date answers to these two questions that won't go away. A third, related question remains. I'll get to it in a minute.

The events leading up to this present state of affairs took place May 9 on the plane carrying Pope Benedict XVI to Brazil. During the flight the Pope obligingly fielded queries from the press. Unsurprisingly, reporters asked if he supported the action of the Mexican bishops in excommunicating legislators who voted in April to legalize abortion.

"Yes," said Pope Benedict, adding: "This excommunication was not something arbitrary, but is foreseen by the Code [of Canon Law]."

It must be pointed out that, although Pope Benedict evidently thought press reports of excommunication were true (and a Mexican Church spokesman was quoted as saying the legislators would be excommunicated when the law went into effect), the Mexican bishops apparently hadn't declared anybody excommunicated up to then — and haven't done so up to this writing either. "And if the bishops haven't excommunicated anyone, it's not that the Pope wants to do so," said Father Federico Lombardi, S.J., director of the Vatican press office.

 But what about receiving Communion? The following day, May 10, the Vatican released a tidied-up and approved version of Pope Benedict's impromptu remarks containing this statement: "It is simply part of Church law that the killing of an innocent baby is incompatible with going to Communion." Automatic excommunication? It seems not. Receiving Communion? No.

Two questions down and one to go. The third question is this: If a pro-choice politician insists on coming forward to receive Communion anyway, should he or she be allowed to receive?

Back in 2004, in a letter to the American bishops, the prefect of the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger — now known as Pope Benedict XVI — said that in such cases the pastors of the Church first must try to persuade the individuals involved that they're wrong — about abortion, about their duty as legislators, and about the reception of Communion. That failing, and if they persist, they should not be given Communion.

At a meeting three years ago, nevertheless, the U.S. bishops adopted a local option approach saying each bishop can handle this matter as he thinks best. That's how things stand now. The bishops are divided on the issue, and local option may be the only course open to them — but to say it opens the door to uncertainty and ambiguity is putting it mildly indeed. According to reports, they will return to the question at their general meeting next November.

It's a tough one. A bishop who refused Communion to a pro-choice politician could count on taking fierce flak — from the media, from Church sources always glad to supply sneering quotes in contradiction of the hierarchy, from masters of non-sequitur claiming the First Amendment was violated by this attempt by the Church to conduct its internal affairs in light of its beliefs. Misled by the propaganda barrage, many Catholics would be upset.

Arguably, though, the alternative is even more unappealing. As matters stand, the Church's convictions on two central tenets of the faith — eligibility to share in the Eucharist and the sanctity of unborn human life — are receiving a pounding, with scandal the result. Would Pope Benedict now care to tackle question number three?

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    Goral

    "Misled by the propaganda barrage, many Catholics would be upset."  

    That's the statement that pinpoints the confusion in the church. The Baptists or Budhists are not uset or confused by any of this. The Catholic Church in this country has cultivated a protestantized version of the faith and now must reap the fruits of a shallow, misinformed, non-catechized, and buffet style group of high profile, catholic brats. Everybody is a self-proclaimed expert on what to beleive. These brats are well into their teens and they were never spanked. The Church will clean up the mess that is out there but help is needed from the faithful. We, the rank and file must challange and rebuke our Catholic brothers or sisters when we see that they have been misled to join the forces of the gates of hell. Even the elect are vulnerable to be propagandized.

     

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    The bishops need to get tough. It is so embarrassing and a terrible scandal that the vast majority of Catholic politicians seem to advocate heretical positions.

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    I don't understand why the Bishops cannot stand strong and united. That is the only way that they will accomplish their job of teaching the truth. It seems to me that mammon speaks louder than God!!!

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    Goral

    Not a few Bishops can be bought at a price. It is as much a hierarchical as it is a political position. We the faithful need to also be demanding. They have a difficult job to do we should pray for them and demand orthodoxy.

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    You don't get any more pro-life than me, so please don't misunderstand what I am about to say, but I can understand why the bishops are reluctant to take a strong position on refusing Communion to Catholics who support abortion rights. If they were to deny Communion to Catholic politicians who disobey Church teaching on the sanctity of life regarding abortion, then wouldn't they also have to enforce that same consequence for Catholics who use birth control? The faithful can no longer claim ignorance that many forms of birth control act as abortifacients given the abundance of information being presented by pro-life movement. Personally, I would love to see the bishops act with courage and conviction on the issue of birth control, but we know that the end result would be mass exodus from our churches. Pope Benedict XVI has predicted that the future Church will be smaller but stronger.  I say: Bring it on!  Humanae Vitae was right!

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    I don't equate birth control with abortion and I don't think the Church does either. They are on a different level of severity. Ultimatley we would all be excommunicated because we all go against some teaching of the Church which comes from God's commandments. The major difference is that the first is generally a private matter while the later is a publicly defiant position against Church teaching. The excommunication is not even imperative. All that's necessary is that a Catholic who publicly takes a stand against Church teaching should be confronted and challanged both privately and in the public forum by his Bishop. The problem is not that public officials and celebrities are not excommunicated but that they're not even challanged.

    Goral

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    As I heard it explained on EWTN radio yesterday (and I wish I could remember who said it probably either from Women of Faith or the Catholic Answers programs), the difference in refusing communion to a politician who has publicly expressed support for abortion, has been counseled by the Bishop and has not publicly recanted their position could then be refused Communion but this is different from private individuals and their sins.

     It is a centuries old tradition that a priest who has private knowledge, such as from confession or other private communication of a communicants unrepented mortally sinful actions such as the use of birth control will not cause public scandal by refusing them communion.
    This falls under the idea of preventing public scandal and humiliation as the Catechism teaches:
    "A disciple avoids rash judgment by being careful in interpreting the deeds of another.
    "Every good Christian must be more ready to give a favorable interpretation to a person's words than to condemn them" (St. Ignatius of Loyola).
    Everyone has a right to their good name. Therefore, detraction and calumny (which destroy that reputation) are sins against justice and charity. See ccc 2477-2479

    Some Bishops follow this custom with public figures who scandalize the Church. It is the Bishops call, perhaps a few public excommunications might do some good, the purpose after all in excommunicating someone is to bring them to repentance, a true rethinking of the life they are leading.

    We may feel better if some politicians were excommunicated but it might not make any dfference to them or those of like mind other than to perhaps make them martyrs (in their own mind) and more shrill. In this culture they might even parlay being victims of the big, bad, burecratic church into more votes so out of whack is thinking in our current culture even amoung some catholics. 

    Living in mortal sin for anyone objectively seperates them from Christ. To die in unrepented mortal sin separates us from God forever by our own free choice.ccc 1861
    For the rest of us, the best thing we can do is pray both for our Bishops and politicians.

    Dado
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    Good information, there's also self-excommunication which automatically happens for ex. when a Catholic has abortion and is unrepentant. It is indeed difficult for a shepard to keep the flock in line and safe in this culture where scandal and contraversy and outrageous behavior sells.

    Goral

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    The Pill is an abortifacient.

    It works in three ways:

    1) it regulates ovulation (but early high-dose estrogen pills caused clotting that killed women, so the strength in this aspect was reduced); so some ovulations occur outside the pill's control

    2) it reduces sperm modality by decreasing the mucus secretions; but this does not guarantee that the sperm will not get to the ovum

    3) it creates a chemically hostile environment on the uterine lining which prevents a fertilized ovum (an entirely complete, unique and unrepeatable human being) from successfully attaching to the mother's uterine wall.  THIS IS A CHEMICAL ABORTION.

    You can not separate the birth control pill from abortion because the Pill is an abortifacient.

     

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    Goral – You are mistaken. The Church does equate abortion with birth control if that birth control acts as an abortifacient!  The IUD acts as an abortifacient and the pill can sometimes act as an abortifacient.  Obviously it would be difficult for a priest or bishop to know who is being disobedient to Church teaching in this regard unless those persons were publicly promoting the use of birth control (eg. Sean Hannity).  However, my point, which I admit I did not make clear, is that if a politician who promotes abortion should not be presenting him or herself for Communion, then neither should a Catholic who uses abortifacient birth control.  Like I said, if bishops were to speak boldly and truthfully on this subject, they would need to also include Catholics who use and/or promote the use of abortifacient birth control.  And if Catholic politicians who promote abortion were to respect the bishops' request that they not present themselves for Communion, then so, too, should the users of abortifacient birth control.  Otherwise, it would be rather hypocritical of us to only cite Catholic politicians regarding this particular subject, don't you think? And one more thing – Your opinion on the severity of the use of birth control really isn't relevant. What matters is what the Church teaches, and the Church has made itself 100 percent clear on the sinfulness of birth control, whether it be abortifacient or not.

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    To Protect the Rock – Thank you for that great explanation on how the pill works.  God bless you!  We won't end abortion until we acknowledge the evil of birth control!

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    Ouch Goral, you need to read your CCC (Catechism) Sin, no matter how private you think it is, effects all. We are all part of the Communions of Saints. Contraception and Abortion are certainly linked because most forms of contraception ARE abortion. We very much live in a world, at least the US, unknown to the concept of living in a kingdom. I love the law (fear of the Lord) because I only understand just a small part of its freedom. And I study it a lot. My fallen nature gives me a proclivity toward sin. 'Tinders' as the CCC calls it. But by surrounding myself with sights and sounds of the kingdom (no TV (EWTN only, only reading church literature, only listening to Catholic Radio) it has transformed me to look at each minute of every day and ask myself, what did I just do to build the kingdom. And if my answer is nothing. Anathama with me. I long for the law and how it bends me and how I must bend my will to it for my good and the greater good of my brothers and sisters everywhere. I love to explore the religious orders and monastic life and as a father of 3 young boys and a wife, we have tried to live in this society while also living in the Kingdom. I hope to clean the restrooms of heaven one day! I will take the lowest job, just to serve my Lord and my Master!

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    If a pro-choice politician insists on coming forward to receive Communion anyway, should he or she be allowed to receive?

    It’s impossible to judge the state of a soul.  Even an 8-year old knows to not receive Holy Communion when in the state of mortal sin.  A pro-choice politician knows it's a sacrilege to receive Holy Communion when in the state of mortal sin.  Every bishop has the opportunity for a private talk with their local politician.   A public rebuke is unnecessary because it would not change the heart and mind of a sinner.

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    Yes, AlvinaL, you are correct that a public rebuke is unnecessary – if we are talking about the salvation of an errant politician's soul.  However, a public rebuke is very necessary and long overdue regarding the social sin of abortion and contraception.  When our bishops and priests are silent, they abdicate their teaching authority to the Sean Hannity, John Kerry, Rudy Giuliani, and Nancy Pelosi.  The Church teaches that it is a sin to knowingly lead others into sin (Catholic politicians who support abortion rights).  Sin can also be committed through omission (bishops and priests who remain silent). The sheep long to hear the voice of the shepherds.  Where are our bishops and priests? Over 30 years ago, Pope Paul VI spoke the truth in Humanae Vitae, but many bishops and priests abandoned ship. We are now paying the price: abortion, euthanasia, in vitro fertilzation, and embryonic stem cell research.  

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    "Goral – You are mistaken. The Church does equate abortion with birth control if that birth control acts as an abortifacient! "

    Vmierzwa, you have an "if" there, I did not. In which case your statement is correct. You expanded on my point of public admonishment of public officials very nicely. We're not talking about changing the heart or mind of a pro-abortion individual, just their behavior.

    Nonovitale on the other hand reads in my comments that private sin is OK. No sir, it is not, sin is sin. Private sins affect others but do not scandalize therefore fall under different "legal" reprecussions. I can use profanity privately and no one knows or cares. If I utter the same words on the air or even in these comments I will be censored and punished. It is sinful behavior in either case, has collateral damage in either case and must be confessed in either case but legally they are different. This is not a hard concept.

    The comments running here have to do with the above article that refers to  "public behavior" of "public officials" and what Bishops could or should do, in accordance with Church law. You guys are giving me the psychology and pathology of sin. Save it for a more relevent topic. 

    Goral

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    vmierzwa

    Thank you for your response.  The Catholic bishops and priests must have the courage to teach orthodox (magisterium) Catholic faith and morals.  At this time some Catholic voters are in confused, uninformed state of malaise.

    In a modern secular world a public rebuke would not make a difference.

    I tend to agree with AMDG that the secular media of like mind would make them [pro-choice politicians] martyrs … In this culture they might even parlay being victims of the big, bad, bureaucratic Church into more votes so out of whack is thinking in our current culture even among some Catholics.

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    Politicians are not the only Catholics who need to be confronted about their pro-choice stance.  I am mentoring a young woman in a correctional facility right now, whose Catholic father forced her to have an abortion, against her will.  And here I am trying to share our Catholic faith with her as she struggles with the one year anniversary of her baby's death.  The confusion and guilt this young woman is suffering just isn't right.  I pray her father is not recieving communion today at mass either.

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    Goral:  I was simply trying to respond to your statements: "I don't equate birth control with abortion and I don't think the Church does either. They are on a different level of severity."  It sounded like you were rationalizing the use of birth control, which, from your initial comment, led me to believe that perhaps you may have fallen victim to the "propaganda" to which you referred. I'm still not sure if Protect the Rock and I convinced you.

    AlvinaL: My point was that, in a modern secular world, a public rebuke of Catholic pro-abortion politicians may be the only recourse the bishops have left!  The horses left the barn regarding the disregard for the sanctity of human life in the 1960's.  We had a Catholic President (JFK) who promised to keep his Catholic values out of his role as President followed by 30 years of silence from the pulpit on the evils of the sexual revolution, and openly disobedient clergy who not only gave their blessing to the laity to use birth control, but also allowed sexual perversity to infiltrate their own ranks. 

    Our bishops and priests should not be concerned about the risk of the secular media making martyrs out of pro-choice politicians.  The secular media is going to persist in its God-less agenda no matter what the Church says.  The bishops and priests only need to speak the truth in love. How it is received is up to the receiver. Recall the parable of the Sower and the Seed.  Those who hear His Word and heed His Word will bear much fruit. 

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    To lauraK:  It is very likely that he did receive Communion at Mass today. But as AlvinaL said:  It is impossible to judge the state of a soul.  We have no way of knowing how many people, including the father of your prison friend, have turned to the Sacrament of Reconciliation for forgiveness and healing.  According to http://www.abortionno.org, Catholic women account for 31.3 percent of abortions which means Catholics are having or participating in about 40,000 abortions each year.  Multiply that by 34 years of abortions since Roe v. Wade, and that gives us possibly nearly 1.5 million Catholics who have participated in the sin of abortion. Surely, a good many of them receive Communion every Sunday without having confessed their sin as do the rest of us regarding many other sins. Your prison friend has been given a heavy cross to bear, but Jesus asks her to forgive her father. It is through forgiveness that she will find peace.  Her father is very likely carrying his own cross for having done the deed.  This is a very different situation from the discussion of whether or not Catholic politicians who support abortion rights should be publicly rebuked by their bishops.  Those politicians are leading people to sin. Our bishops must not remain silent while millions more are led to slaughter.

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    to vmierzwa: you and the Rock convinced me about what?

    Goral

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    That the church does not equate birth control with abortion.  To tell you the truth, though, I wouldn't fault you if you don't agree. Afterall, our bishops and priests continue to remain silent on the birth control issue. It's no wonder people can't see the inextricable connection between birth control and abortion. Thank goodness for Father Tom Euteneuer for having the courage to speak up about it.  He took some heavy artillery for calling Sean Hannity on his support of birth control.

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    As a legal matter it does not. There's nothing written that I know of that says a person is subject to self-excommunication for using birth control. I have however read that about abortion. I agree with you that birth control opened the flood gates and is against Church teaching. I'm the first to post the comment cheering Fr. Euteneuer on and decrying the confusion in the Church because the clergy ran for the tall grass when birth control came in. You and the Rock confused the subject by saying that the two are exactly the same, I don't know where you're getting that. Is it in the Catechism, the Magistarium? Cite an official document and you've got me conviced.

    Goral

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    Goral

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    Goral:   Apparently, Protect the Rock's succinct explanation as to how the pill works as an abortifacient was not good enough for you. Clearly the IUD only works as an abortifacient. Those are the FACTS. Obviously you are more interested in arguing the "letter of the law" vs. the "spirit of the law" when it comes to Church teaching.  I'm not sure what "official" Church language you are looking for to convince you that birth control (albeit certain types, but seeing as the pill is the most widely used, I WILL go out on a limb and say BIRTH CONTROL) is equal to abortion, but the facts speak for themselves.  Birth control is the root evil of abortion because it separates the sexual act from procreation and it sets pregnancy up to be optional. The very nature of birth control makes a child is a choice before he or she is even conceived. Therefore, if we accept birth control, then we must be willing to accept abortion. Again, these are the facts, and how those facts are received depends upon the willingness of the receiver.  My guess is that you either practice birth control or you believe that the poor should be on it.

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    The legalization of abortion in the USA in Roe v. Wade was poorly and wrongly decided.  But it was based on a precedent — Griswold v. Connecticut — a case about the right to contraceptives.

    In Humanae Vitae, Pope Paul VI wisely predicted one of the consequences of artificial birth control would be more abortions.  At the time this was seen as preposterous, since the conventional wisdom of 1968 was that more effective contraception would mean less unwanted pregnancies and therefore fewer abortions.

    I don't fault the secular world for thinking that in 1968.  But after forty years of data, we can see who had the true wisdom. Anyone who in 2007 refuses to see the strong link between contraception and abortion is in denial of the facts.

    So when we cry in outrage at the sin of legal abortion, consider that contraception was essential to set the conditions.

    We are usually much more comfortable in condemning our neighbor's sin than our own.

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    To Protect the Rock:  Rock on!

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    Yes I am arguing the letter of the law, excommunication for supporting abortion is the topic, and no I don't practice or advocate birth control for the poor.

    Quote from above:

    reporters asked if he supported the action of the Mexican bishops in excommunicating legislators who voted in April to legalize abortion.

    "Yes," said Pope Benedict, adding: "This excommunication was not something arbitrary, but is foreseen by the Code [of Canon Law]."

    Since I can't get any official citings from either of you, I'll just have to go to my pastor who by the way is quite orthodox, writes books and runs a parish radio program. Hang tight.

    Goral

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    Whoa, Goral!  Who is talking about excommunication?  Not me!  I was simply stating that there is value in publicly rebuking Catholic politicians who promote abortion. While I believe that those politicians "excommunicate themselves" by their actions, I do not believe that bishops should excommunicate them – because they would then also need to excommunicate everyone who uses abortifacient birth control which would nearly empty our churches! The bishops don't have to choose between excommunicating disobedient politicians and remaining silent. There is so much they can be saying to the faithful – including teaching them the truth of Humanae Vitae.  Let's pray that they will seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit and not be afraid to speak the truth.  The goal should be changing hearts and saving souls, not excommunication.

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    THE USE OF ARTIFICIAL MEANS OF CONTRACEPTION

    TO PREVENT THE CONCEPTION OF A HUMAN LIFE IS GRAVE OR SERIOUS MATTER, NAMELY, A MORTAL SIN.

    THE TAKING OF AN INNOCENT HUMAN LIFE BY ABORTION 

    (namely ripping its arms and legs from its body, or sucking its

    brains out, or burning it with saline solution, or killing it with

    poisonous chemicals) IS GRAVE OR SERIOUS MATTER, THAT IS,

    A MORTAL SIN.

    Abortion and birth control are both equally serious sins.

    The fact that contraceptive pills can also act as abortifacients

    only makes their use that much more reprehensible and evil.

    ALSO:   Natural Family Planning (NFP) is not to be used indiscriminately

    by married couples to prevent the conception of children indefinitely

    without a grave reason.  This extremely important point does not

    seem to be taught or known among those who do promote and use

    NFP.   I see a lot of young married Catholic couples who either are childless or have only one or two children.  Even older married Catholic couples often have had only one or two children.   I'm not judging them, but where are the larger families of days gone by?   There are some larger families today, but they are few and far between.  

    THE BISHOPS HAVE NOT TAUGHT THE FAITHFUL THE TRUTH ABOUT MARRIAGE AND FAMILY LIFE, LOVE AND RESPONSIBILITIES FOR THE PAST 40 OR MORE YEARS. 

    PRAY FOR OUR BISHOPS:  THEY NEED A LOT OF LIGHT.

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    Amen, paulgerard.

    If nothing else, we can see on this very thread that contraception causes division between otherwise faithful Catholics, which is not good.

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