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Asking the Right Question About Islam's God

In the wake of last week’s suspension of a professor at (evangelical) Wheaton College for her public statement that Christians and Muslims worship the same God, the question of whether we do, in fact, has been making its rounds again in blogs and journals. Many smart Christians have been coming down on one side or another, or meta-analyzing others’ arguments to distill what seem to be the best ones.

I don’t think all this is without value as a thought exercise or conversation-starter. But I do think that to ask simply, “Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God?” is to ask the wrong question.

A common problem in any conversation is the failure to define terms. We use words to communicate, but verbal communication only works when the parties to the discussion share exact or at least similar notions of the things to which the words refer—be they physical objects or metaphysical concepts. And often the latter have contextual meanings or shades of meaning that have to be worked out and mutually understood before any real meeting of the minds can take place.

For example, before two people can fruitfully discuss the question, “Is man free?” they need a common working concept of what freedom is, and what it would mean to say that a man exercises or possesses it. This takes time, work, and good will, so unsurprisingly it often doesn’t happen. What results is arguing at cross-purposes—two people firing talking points at one another, each convinced in his mind he’s right, but never connecting with the other on mutual terms.

Our social-media arguments, comment-box chatter, and water-cooler debates are, sadly, rife with this volleying of words. The question of whether Muslims and Christians worship the same God is no exception.

Of course they do! There’s only one God!

Of course they don’t! Christians believe that God is a Trinity. Muslims don’t. End of story.

Vatican II said that Muslims worship the one, merciful, just God, just like we do. This is official Catholic teaching.

Christianity’s God is love. Islam’s God commands his people to kill and subjugate unbelievers. How can they be the same?

Muslims sincerely believe that they worship the God of Abraham, so how can you say they don’t?

The “revelation” that Muhammad received could only have come from a demon. How can you say that a demonic religion worships the same God as Christianity?

And on it goes. Depending on how you define the question, you come up with a variety of equally sure-sounding answers. By not defining the question, even just temporarily for the purposes of discussion, we fail to recognize that the question could be legitimately answered in more than one way.

This occurs every day in sports arguments. Who is the greatest baseball player of all time? Was it the player with the most hits or home runs, or the best advanced-stat metric? Was it the guy with the most championship rings and intangible winning qualities? How do you compare offense versus defense, pitchers versus everyday players, team success versus individual numbers? How do you account for the differences in eras across baseball history—dead-ball, juiced-ball, high-mound, low-mound, pre-/post-expansion, the DH, the effects of nutrition and steroids, the depth of the talent pool and quality of competition?

Yes, baseball fans can be quite geeky.

Now, sports arguments are usually about the journey rather than the destination. Most people understand that there is no divinely assured single answer to the question of who the best baseball player is, but they enjoy the mental exercise of talking about it. (Plus, for men especially I think, it’s fun to bump egos and try to win over someone to your favorite player’s camp.)

And yet we persist in asking—and answering—this question of Muslims, Christians, and God as if there had to be a single normative answer. Not just a single logical answer, in fact, but a single Catholic answer that demands our religious assent.

Let me suggest that the question we should be asking instead, after first acknowledging that there are multiple ways to address the larger matter, is this: “Which answer offers the most helpful way for Christians to regard Islam and Islamic theology?”

Some people will say it’s best to stress kinship with Muslims as fellow monotheists—whether as part of a strategy of alliance against global secularism or because they think common ground and positivity should always come first for Christians in dialogue with other religions. Or that even though the Quran is not inspired, it claims to play in the same ballpark as Christian salvation history and so we must consider Muslims as at least distant cousins on Abraham’s family tree. In some of these senses or others, they’ll say the best answer is yes, same God.

Others might say that even though the Quran features many of the same characters, places, and basic stories as the Bible, and the Quran’s Allah has some attributes in common with our God, in many other ways Islam’s God is so alien in nature and behavior to Christianity’s, and its followers so chronically hostile to the followers of Christ, that the best answer to our question is one that emphasizes estrangement, not kinship, between our two religions. They might add that this moment in history, when the Christian West is frittering away its identity while the Muslim world grows ever stronger and more invasive, is not a moment for Christianity to cloud its identity further while legitimatizing Islam’s. In some of these senses or others, they’ll say the best answer is no, not the same God.

I gave my own take on this matter two years ago, and I still believe now what I offered then: that the most helpful way to slice the “same God” question is by looking at revelation and relationship. In short, we worship the God we do because we know him. And we know him because we have his inspired and inerrant revelation about himself. Through it he speaks to us, introduces himself to us.

But Islam explicitly rejects that revelation and replaces it with a false substitute. That makes Islam’s God, despite whatever true things that the Quran says about him (whether gleaned from reason, plagiarized from Scripture, or captured by Muhammad’s imagination) a false God. According to what I think is the most helpful way of defining the question.

A quick analogy: Let’s say you and I have a mutual childhood friend named Bob. One day, you move away and lose touch with Bob, but I stay close to him. After twenty years, you and I get together and Bob’s name comes up. I tell you all the things that Bob has done since you saw him last. For instance, he joined the military, served some time in combat, then got married and had a family.

“I can’t believe Bob did those things,” you say. The Bob you knew was a shy, peaceful guy, and you were sure he’d remain a bachelor. Now we have two different pictures of Bob’s identity, but only because mine is more complete. We both still know the same Bob.

If Bob is God in this analogy, then I’m Christianity and you’re Judaism. We think somewhat differently about God because I’m more up to date on his actions and what they say about him, but it’s same God we both know from way back. My picture of him is just more filled-out. He has revealed more to me.

Now, what if you never met Bob at all, but only pretended to? What if you came to me out of the blue and claimed that this same Bob never really did a lot of the things you know he did, and that he did do all kinds of other things you never heard of, but that he was nonetheless the same exact person I claimed (fraudulently, you say) to be old friends with? Now you’re Islam. Do we know the same Bob?

 

 

 

 

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16 responses to “Asking the Right Question About Islam's God”

  1. Peccatori Avatar
    Peccatori

    I agree. God is. No matter what I think or someone else thinks of God or who He is, God is, who He is.
    That being said, I believe that Jesus is the second person of the Holy Trinity, three in one. Jesus tells us that God is our Father. Mohammed says that God is the Master. Jesus is the Word, He is the Wisdom of the Father, Jesus is Truth. If Jesus said that God is our Father, then there is no correcting or changing that.
    I say this because Christians know through revelation, Jesus, that God is our Father and Islam teaches that God is master. He isn’t both. God is Father and has authority as such, but is not master. If God were master He would not have afforded us each a free will, to obey or to disobey. A dog has a master, we all have a Father in heaven that loves us enough to allow us a free will, so that we might know love, which is an act of our free will.
    Peace.

  2. Maria 3 Avatar
    Maria 3

    Good points , to hopefully help many to discern and look within themselves too , to see how far each of us too might be , from our own perceptions about God, His Fatherly love for all .

    Looking at our own childhoods or even adult hoods at times would make it rather easy to see how distorted our perceptions can get – in a moment of tantrum, parents
    might be more like slave masters for the child .

    The origin of Islam might have been from good intentions , of wanting to stamp out idolatry around in a hurry and there might have been good moments of revelation of truth from God who would have wanted them too to know and share more of same esp. through The Blessed Mother .

    Having fallen into lusts and idolatry of greed , in the ruthless zeal to stamp out idolatry around, may be the same evils probably took hold seven fold – as a warning for us all too , that we do have a Master , mentioned in the Parables , who do hold us, as responsible children , who would see more of the Fatherly side, if we have taken in that aspect , in the depth of our own hearts .
    We can be grateful too that even the glimpses of light of love have helped many to have good hearts .
    May The Mother keep us all, in the mantle of love and keep out the seven fold returns of the enemy .

  3. Tweck Avatar
    Tweck

    God can be both Master and Father. A Father is the “Master of the house.” St. Francis referred to God as Divine Master. God is also our Creator. There are many titles one can use to refer to God. God can be called all of those things. I can refer to God as Father, Master, Creator, Divine Source of Creation, etc. etc. He is still the same God.

    That said, the author does make a relatively decent point.

  4. Peccatori Avatar
    Peccatori

    God is our Father, and Master, but a master of a slave is not also a father.
    Islam sees God as the latter.
    Christianity sees God as the former.

  5. Tweck Avatar
    Tweck

    God created us. He is our Creator, our Master and Our Father in Heaven. I’m sick of this divisiveness. The author makes some good points, but your using titular references is silly. It doesn’t matter what title we give God. I could see God differently than you do. Some of us call ourselves “Slaves of Jesus through Mary,” does that mean we worship a different God, because we consider ourselves slaves of Jesus? That’s Catholic, too. So NO. I worship the God of Abraham, as do you.

  6. Tweck Avatar
    Tweck

    Have you studied Islam?

  7. Larrt Avatar
    Larrt

    I always thought that the Muslim people were the children of Abraham’s hand maiden, someone please correct me on this point, Thanks

  8. Peccatori Avatar
    Peccatori

    The Muslim people are children of Abraham or Abram. But there is a distinction that needs to be acknowledged.
    They are said to be descendants of Ishmael, who is Abram’s offspring from Hagar, a slave of Sarai.
    Genesis 16: 1-5 describes how Sarai gives Hagar to Abram since Sarai has been barren. And Hagar conceives Ishmael. Then in Genesis 16:11-12 an angel appears to Hagar and tells her that she will bear a son, and that ‘he shall live at odds with all his kin’.

    Then in the next chapter, God changes Abram’s name to Abraham.
    Then, the most interesting part to me is later in Genesis 22, when Abraham is tested by being asked to sacrifice Isaac, God says, ‘Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love…’
    God knows that Abraham has two sons, but Ishmael is of a slave and therefore a slave himself.
    That is why the Muslim people see God as a master and themselves as slaves and we see God as Father.

  9. Peccatori Avatar
    Peccatori

    Division is not what I want either, but acknowledging our differences is not wrong to do. I think it helps to understand to build respect for each other. Even though understanding is not required to love.
    The slavery you refer to is different than the slavery I am referring to.
    The slavery to Jesus is a dedication of totally to the service of Jesus without expectations of what I’ll receive in return. But to serve out of love, because that is what love is.
    The slavery I am referring to is involuntary and is aimed to serve the master for his own needs regardless of the effect to the slave.
    I have done research on Islam, to understand it. I can’t say I’ve ‘studied’ it because I’m not sure if there is a true measure of ‘study’. I’ve spent hours learning, not years, from very reputable sources.
    How we reference God is important, it is the difference between devoting your life to truth or devoting your life to something less than truth.
    I used to believe that God was tyrannical, just a governor that would punish us for not doing things His way. But I now know that He is a loving Father and only wants what is good for His children. But He doesn’t force us to accept Him, He gives each of us a free will to accept or reject Him and His truth.
    Peace and God Bless.

  10. kirk Avatar
    kirk

    I recently read a book by Hillaire Belloc, “The Great Heresies” – one chapter tells the origins of Islam through Mohammed, the wars (Crusades) that followed. It was very interesting and informative – I have a much better understanding of it than I had before, though am researching other authors to see if Belloc’s account is similar to other historians. Belloc lived from 1885 to 1953 (prox), and at the end of the chapter on Islam he predicted that a new uprising of radical Islam would come within the next century – and that is what we experience now. For a better understanding of the origins of Islam, I recommend that book. Other heresies are also recounted in the book, The Arian Heresy, Protestantism, the Puritans of the 12th to 13th centuries.

  11. Frank Avatar
    Frank

    This same question can apply in our discussion with non-Catholic Christians as well. Do they worship the same God we do? The same point about not defining terms apply as well. What do you mean by worship? By infallible? By Real Presence?

  12. Tom Dundee Avatar
    Tom Dundee

    ‘The Best Deceiver’ is also one of Allah’s 99 names or attributes. “Allah works with Satan to lead the faithful off the righteous path.”. Our God, does not deceive anyone.
    The above can be found in the Koran, however, right now I am too pressed for time to find the sura.
    Jesus, the Son of God came to earth to teach present some new teachings which became a new religion. As such, Jesus was a Prophet for Christianity. Mohammad was a prophet for Islam.
    Jesus was a man of peace. Some of His last words were “Father for give them for they know not what they do”.
    “I have been made victorious through terror” came from Mohammad’s Farewell Address. Mohammad was a caravan raiding warlord who fought in 84 battles, 32 of them major battles.
    Christians can get to Heaven by following the teachings of Jesus and leading a good life. Moslems can insure they get to Paradise and sit at the left hand of Allah by dying on Jihad.

    No, they are not the same because Allah is just a god.

    If you have questions, just ask.

  13. Tom Dundee Avatar
    Tom Dundee

    In 1938, Belloc said, “Our grandsons and great grandsons will once again be fighting against the aggressions of Islam”.

    That is a rough paraphrase but you get the idea.

    – British Prime Minister Gladstone warned the world that Wahhabi Islam was a rising threat in the world, numerous times in the 1800s. Prime Minister Winston Churchill gave the same warning to Parliament and therefore the world in 1899, 1921, about 1953, and another one I forget the date. There may have been more.
    – 1910 saw the World Missionary Conference hosted in Edinburgh and the only item on the agenda was stopping the advance into Africa below the 10th parallel. Their idea was to increase missionary work, build churches and teach these new Christians how to defend themselves. {The Roman Catholic Church was not invited to this conference.}

    How did modern day’s world leaders forget what the previous generations knew?

  14. Tom Dundee Avatar
    Tom Dundee

    A couple more things and I hope I can stop.

    Putting today’s conflicts into proper context requires understand the slave trade. Arabs dominated the slave trade in African Blacks since well before Mohammad. They were shipped to India and China where they were known as Black Ivory. Since they buyers did not want any offspring remaining when the Blacks died, they had the Blacks castrated before they arrived.

    When the Europeans needed slaves for the Western Hemisphere, they bought them from Moslem Arab slave traders since they controlled the trade. About 18 million African Blacks were shipped West. Many more were shipped East. Moslems captured more whites and sold them into slavery than they did Blacks. Moslem slave traders were raiding as far north as Norway, northern Scotland, northern and western Ireland in the early 1800s. The Europeans invaded and colonized North Africa to stop the slave trade after the Napoleonic Wars ended.

    In the US, there are groups like the Yourba or Ibo descendants of slaves. You will not find a group named the Hausa-Falani descendants of slave in the US or anywhere else. Why? The Hausa-Falani were Moslems and captured and sold everyone else into slavery and that explains the violence in Nigeria today. The Hausa-Falani became Moslems about 1100 and began their assault on everyone else about that time. This played out across the rest of Africa.

    About 450,000 African Blacks were enslaved and shipped to what is the present day United States. I thought the number was about 650,000. A few years ago, Professor Gates ( of the beer summit fame) researched the importation of slaves into the US and arrived at the 450,000. It seems he got tired of the US taking the blame for all the African Blacks who were enslaved and shipped West.

  15. Tom Dundee Avatar
    Tom Dundee

    I am an infidel and as such, I live in the House of War, which means I can be killed at will by a Moslem at any time. My address can be found in the Koran. The division you object to is prescribed in the Koran and since the Koran is the word of Allah, it cannot be changed.

    Islam is at war with Animists, Atheists, Buddhist, Christians (in Africa and Asia, not just the white ones), Hindus, Jews, other Moslems, Pagans, and anyone not named above.

  16. Michael Reardon Avatar
    Michael Reardon

    I like the first part of the article a lot, but I think you get off track in the second part. You say, “Let me suggest that the question we should be asking instead, after first acknowledging that there are multiple ways to address the larger matter, is this: “Which answer offers the most helpful way for Christians to regard Islam and Islamic theology?” .” This question is essentially pragmatic on the one hand, and avoids the metaphysical question of the identity of the “two” historical understandings of God on the other hand. In other words, although it’s a fine question to ask, it completely avoids the original question posed. You admit this of course, but therefore I don’t think the second part of the article can actually answer the question. What’s “helpful to Christians” isn’t what is at stake. The Truth is at stake.

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