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The “Outing” of Dumbledore: A Catholic Response

Well, this is interesting news.

According to a recent CNN article, the world famous British author J.K. Rowling, while wrapping up a brief "Open Book Tour" of the U.S., was asked by a young fan whether Dumbledore, the old wizard mentor of Harry Potter, finds "true love."

"Dumbledore is gay," the author responded.

Gasps and claps erupted in the audience. Huh?

OK… is that a yes or a no?

Amidst the shock and applause that fanned out over the fans at that sitting, I wonder if anyone saw the irony here. The hollow space of the unanswered question. Now with the ripples and the waves on the water caused by this comment, will we ever get to see the answer reflected?

Rowling was said to have regarded her Harry Potter series as a "prolonged argument for tolerance" and urged her fans to "question authority."

Oh boy…

But I'd like the answer to the question about finding "true love."

Dumbledore is gay? What does this mean? How will this affect the young readers across the planet who have looked on Dumbledore as a kind of grandpa — Obi-Wan Kenobi for a new generation of Luke Skywalkers looking for wisdom? Will this give them light and clarity about their own direction? Because good stories should do that: lead us to the light and not to fog.

The Potter series, which ended on a very clear note with the triumph of good, has added another big question to the many previously raised by discerning readers, the issue of "sexual identity." I thought it was a story of good and evil, of courage and bravery in the face of tyranny and deceit? I guess there's more to this book than its cover?

Of Its Time

 Our culture is in the midst of a sexual crisis. What does it mean to be a man? What does it mean to be a woman? Are there distinctions, differences? Are they merely biological? Can they be manipulated or conditioned? Can we decide to alter, recreate, and refashion our bodies any way we want to? Is our sexual identity as male and female just like parts that can be replaced or rearranged? Or is there something more than just biology about our bodies? Is there a theology, something cosmic, something spiritual, something distinct, in our creation as male and female? Is there something complimentary in the very universe that echoes a Masculine and Feminine? It seems that every culture and every religion since the beginning has seen in earth and sky, seed and sower, flower and bee, a great truth manifested for us.

What is that truth? That the very difference between man and woman is literally what unites us. Our sexual difference is literally what brings life into the world.

Now let's look at Dumbledore, the homosexual wizard. Do homosexuals love one another (even wizards?); they can absolutely love one another. But there's love for all, and then there's the sexual expression of love meant for man and woman as part of God's plan for bringing life into the world. Is homosexual love in this sense even possible? No. The very act itself is a forcing, an act that even biologically doesn't work. No word, no agenda, no person can change that. Does this mean that homosexuals are evil and are going to Hell? No.

It simply means that we are living in confusing times. It means that all of us are still looking for Love, still peering out through foggy, distorted lenses that haven't been set right since the Fall, when our first parents reached out to the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and decided that they would rather make up the rules for themselves. That's what sin is at the end of the day. Sin says "I don't trust this plan of love. I want it another way."

This is a hard teaching, I know. It's difficult especially for those suffering from strong, often overpowering, emotions toward someone of the same sex. And there's no magic wand of wood that can make it go away in an instant. But we're not bound by sin anymore. The Wood of the Cross can set this right, can re-order our hearts, can lead us to life.

Therein is the answer to the question of finding "true love." It's there at the foot of the Cross that our love can be remade, our hearts refashioned. May He turn our water into wine and fill us with His Love!

Now that's magic.

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    I was disappointed, but not exactly surprised, by this episode with JK Rowling.  

    I have always pooh-poohed the assertion that the use of magic and all the fantastical (is that a word?) creatures in the Harry Potter series was inherently evil and to be avoided.  My daughters and I have talked about how anything that becomes an obsession and pushes Christ out of the center of our existence is evil, whether it's HP, sports, a hobby, friends, etc.  even though these things are not inherently evil.  I allowed my 11 year old to read all the HP books and watch the first five movies.  I actually read the last book aloud to my daughter and found some remarkable parallels in the book to the anti-slavery movement in the UK and the US and to the events leading up to and during the Holocaust and what happens when evil takes over governments and lawmaking.  Whether these were intended or not or just a product of an awareness of English and European history being woven into the way the story was written, I don't know.   All I know is that I found definite positive thematic elements in the stories to discuss with my children through a Catholic perspective much as I did when watching/reading Lord of the Rings or the Chronicles of Narnia. 

    What I also know is that it never occured to me that Dumbledore was a homosexual, practicing or not.  If he had a homosexual attraction to a friend in his youth, why is that pertinent to the story?  Is it because he's an old, single, male and we can't imagine that anyone would choose not to marry for any other reason than that he or she is homosexual?  What can we infer about McGonagall (sp?)?  I mean, she's a old, single, female teacher with no apparent marriage in her past.   How about all the other teachers that apparently have no spouses?  What exactly was going on in that school? 

    I'm at a loss as how to go forward with my kids and HP, especially with my oldest.  I know that I don't want to spend another dime that will end up in JK Rowling's pocket after this idiotic statement, but how do I explain this to them?   It's only a matter of time before she hears this garbage and I need to know how to respond to her?  Does the stupidity of the author negate the positive messages that I see in the books?  I don't know if Satan is at work in the books or just in the author?

    Sorry for rambling…

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    This is where reader response literary theory might come in quite handy, especially considering that this seems to have been nothing more than a politically correct afterthought by Rowling.  We can use it to point to our older children that people can be quite good at recognizing the totalitarianisms of the past and still be brainwashed by the regnant spirit of their own age.

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    "Tinky-Winky"  (the purple teletubby was "gay" too)

    And they've made Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and maybe even Superman "gay" too. 

    Dogs can be "gay"and cats and chimps and probably my pet goldfish. 

    I think my van is "gay" and my, well, I'm embarrassed to admit it, my mail (male) box is "gay", also.

    What a "gay", "gay" world! 

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    PS.  Did FEMA plant that questioner in the audience?

    The entire drama seems a tad contrived! 

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    So, Dubledore is gay. Sad that a series of stories that seemed so free of any issues of sexuality now has been reduced to stories about nothing else, and by just one comment by the author no less.

    It's interesting (sad, really) that Rowling is nothing more than one more person who has elevated "tolerance" as the highest virtue one can practice.

    Equally interesting is that she says her books are about questioning authority. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Dumbledore the highest authority figure at Hogwarts?

    Therefore, the conclusion one should reach, much to Rowling's dismay, I'm sure, is that we should question gay authority.

    All Rowling has really done is throw her otherwise very good series of books into a pile of common trash. Her voice is nothing but one more among the shrill crowd yelling that those who disagree with her worldview must tolerate her intolerance of theirs.

     

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    What a homophobe this Rowling lady is. She couldn't give a straight answer. I'm surprised that the "gay" community took this lying down. We've heard that money can't buy you love but here we see that magic and wizardry can't get you love either. Well, all the money that Rowling made can't buy her any common sense.

    Reminds me of an old song before the term "gay" took on a new meaning. Maybe there's a Senior who recognizes it. It goes something like this:

    "Gay love I will give to you

    Hey love I won't be untrue

    Say love I will promise you – gay love"

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    We read all the books as a family, and have seen all the movies as well. The books are better in my opinion. In all of that, there is nothing said by Dumbledore or anyone else suggesting he's either gay or straight.

     

    This is a good thing, and germane to the discussion. Moving over to the real world, I really don't care much if a teacher is gay or not. The simple truth is that I don't want teachers or other authority figures in school discussing their sexual inclinations at all in the classroom, regardless of their sexual orientation.

     

    The fictional character Dumbledore, if gay as his creator has decided he is, has successfully done just that. His job is to teach his students. That's a fine thing for all the people in education to keep in mind. 

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    Whether this rumor is true or not, JKR and her HP books and movies are not healthy for kids or adults.  To use an old computer term you put Garbage in you get Garbage out. Or GIGO for short.

    I know this subject has been hashed out to death on CE before, but that is how I feel.  Wizards, witches, magic wands and spells have no good place in the catholic family.   Anyone read the story about the dog doo in the brownies?

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    I truly pity the masses of innocent youths whose parents bought into the lie of this being harmless, innocent fantasy.  They may as well have been given ouija boards.  Remeber, the "garbage-in-garbage-out" principle applies to the soul and spirit just as well as it does to the physical body or other mathematical or scientific analyses.  If we had all read or remembered the Gospel of Luke instead of Harry Potter, this would have been quite clear, "The lamp of the body is your eye. When your eye is sound, then your whole body is filled with light, but when it is bad, then your body is in darkness. Take care, then, that the light in you not become darkness" (Luke 11: 34-35).  It should go without saying that this applies to the TV and magazines as well (i.e. "Desperate Housewives" and "Cosmopolitan" are two that immediately come to mind but there are MANY more).

    Harry Potter fans have really been duped by a 'wolf in sheeps clothing' (Matthew 7:15).   Recognize this as Satanic influence that appears, on the surface, to be quite innocent.  Now that you have been sucked in to offer up your children to this cult; standing in lines at the wee hours of the morning to purchase the books; buying tickets to the movies among other HP paraphernalia, only to have a trap door sprung on you, what do you do?  I would recommend an examination of conscience followed by a good confession.  Ever read the scripture passage that describes the "narrow path?"  Put down the 'Sorcerer's Stone' and pick up your bibles – it's in Matthew 7:13-14.  How about the Cathechism – have your sons and daughters, or you, read that one yet? 

    The warnings were there:

    http://www.spiritdaily.org/MHB%20editorials/The%20pope/benedictpotter.htm

    http://www.spiritdaily.org/Spiritual-War-Angels/rutkoski.htm

    My prayers are with you.

    Dominus vobiscum.

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    Well, it appears that he was celibate.  We can love the sinner, espically while they resist the temptation to sin.

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    I am an ex-pagan and I saw such danger in using real spells and formulas in her early book. I never made it past the first one or two because of the evil it pulled me back to. I find it amusing that many who discounted the real spiritual danger, although it is small but still a danger, now find the announcement of a character as being "gay" such a danger or let down. I don't understand you when you worry more about a person or character who has a problem with their sexual identity, but you don't see the danger in reading the words of evil spells that real evil people, people of the "shadows", read to open their souls to darkness. Maybe it is because I have experienced the evil of satan first hand. I am less worried about explaining to my children that all of mankind is broken and some of us are broken by sin in a sexual way, than I am of allowing their souls to even entertain the idea of seeking dark powers.

    I'm sorry her announcement has blown so many parents out of the water but that was the least of your worries in using those books. Do I read JRR Tolkien? You bet and my children too. Do I love Narnia? Absolutly and have the books right here in my living room. Rowlings- no. Good writting doesn't justify the use of real evil words. She wanted us to tolerate everyone even those who practice the evil of witchcraft and worse. I think we need to tolerate the brokenness of homosexual people and encourage a Christain way life for them  but evil hidden in children's books is akin to spiritual murder if we lose one child the way I was lost. I ask a favor of all parents: when people who have lived in the "shadows" of evil step foward, as so many of us did, and say there is evil here we know because we have lived it, please consider what we are saying. We have nothing to gain by admitting we were once evil and that Jesus stole us back. Most of us are ashamed of the lives we use to live but we do know what will ensnare your children because we were caught in the devil's snare and we desire that for no one. Many important Catholic commentors and writters stepped forward to say that they found danger in these books but they were considered crazy and fanatics.I don't think they fear a character that is declared homosexual that is part of our broken human condition. The evil of satan is far more worrisome to us becaue it can lead one to eternal death as people declare it fantasy. Think about it. And yes my kids will celbrate Halloween and All Saints. Fantasy is balanced by reality.

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    God loves you .

    There we have it – a fictional character whose sexual identity must be considered in his not-really-existent story –

    Good grief!

    Sole evidence for her proclamation? Her off-hand-out-of-closet proclamation.

    Oh, yes – do make the parable stories of Christ come alive within your family and for your children. The simple wisenheimers may notice that men are men and women are women, and Christ makes no measure of sexual identity crises. He doesn’t even make it a point to cure a person with ‘abominable’ sexual tendencies, excepting adultery and that with mercy, as His Jewish audience would recognize.

    I will bypass praying for the Dumbledore in order to pray for his mistress fabricator, and her child and other children she may confuse with her confounding (to me) questionable story with pointless silliness. And, that God save us from more and more ‘political correctness’ at the expense of our sensibilities and His truth.

    Remember, I love you, too .

    In the Suffering of Christ, and in His hope of His Resurrection,

    Pristinus Sapienter

    (wljewell @catholicexchange.com or … yahoo.com)

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    I found her disingenuous outburst and disdain for the families who fell in love with her books insulting.

    It also smacks of a certain cowardice. I mean…why did she not just come out from the beginning identifying Dumbledore is gay? Why wait till now after the series is over an she already sold a gazillion of the books? I think this kind of Switch and bait repulsive.

    While the Potter fuhrer is over tho'…I will quietly dispose of the books. I only allowed the books because I gave her the benefit of the doubt. You would be surprised that a certain practiced indifference to the books also causes children to loose interest…and find other books, movies more interesting.

    I personally will no longer look to see the new Potter movies and I hope that people of conscience all over will also stay away from any future Potter works.

     Madeline 

     

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    http://www.christineschult.com

     

    good response! I featured this article on my blog 

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    Next we have the Golden Compass being passed off as harmless fantasy to try and trick us and our children that there is no God. 

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    Just a note… the article above is quite good, but it continues to repeat the distorted notes in the AP article which spawned the others.

     Rowling did not answer "Dumbledore is Gay" … . her answer was subtly different.  Nor did she follow this up with "question authority" and the "tolerance" comment.

     All three comments were made in a context, and separate from each other.

     We can argue about the problematic nature of the "outing" of Dumbledore, but it's important to be accurate, or we end up arguing against something that was never there.

    As Catholics, we can't afford the inaccuracy, when we expect others to accept that the Gospel we preach is True.

     Granted, it's difficult when the press is swirling and spinning around, to find context and accuracy, but we need to try. 

     Regarding the comment above about the Golden Compass… the Pullman books/film are the truly dangerous books, and yet they have flown under the radar as everyone is distracted by Harry Potter sound bytes.

     -Elm

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    speaking of The Golden Compass —

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/compass.asp

    please read and pass it on.

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    My now 14 year-old-son, began reading these books in the 1st grade and received praise for being such an advanced reader.  By the second grade he entered into a prolonged (3 week) migraine episode.  He was unable to go to school and it was as though his life was ebbing away.  I talked with the doctor daily and took him to the emergency room twice.  At the end of the 3rd week he had an episode that I compared afterward to the "pea soup scene" in the original Exorcist movie.  After re-counting the situation I began to feel like the entire episode was more spiritual than physical.  The Neurologist suggested that it was psycho-somatic

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    I now am quite sure that there was spiritual warfare being conducted over my son.

    He never read another Harry Potter book nor did we ever go see the movies.  I know a priest who originally scoffed over any concern about the scorcery in the books.  I heard him say recently that he no longer endorses them.

    We must guard our hearts!

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    Michael O'Brien, author of Father Elijah, has written several articles about the dangers inherent in Harry Potter, here is a link to his latest: http://studiobrien.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=151&Itemid=69

    Here is a link to the Catholic League's response to the release of the Golden Compass:

    http://catholicleague.org/catalyst.php?year=2007&month=October&read=2322

     

    Dado

    AMDG

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    Claironiell, you said, " Good writting doesn't justify the use of real evil words."

    I'm sure I've seen Rowling say more than once that as far as the words for the spells go, she makes them up.  As far as I know, you're the first to claim that she didn't. 

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    Here's a link to a detailed report by a person present, giving the questions and answers in context: http://eldritchhobbit.livejournal.com/175955.html

    this isn't as good a source as the actual transcript (though it's more detailed than the AP press story that turned into just about every other newstory).  edit- found the link to a partial transcript that deals with the questions here: http://the-leaky-cauldron.org/2007/10/20/j-k-rowling-at-carnegie-hall-reveals-dumbledore-is-gay-neville-marries-hannah-abbott-and-scores-more  The actual questions and answers are near the end. -end edit-

    Most of the questions and answers will make no sense if you have not read the books.

     Short answers: She said she "always thought of Dumbledore as gay", when asked about the character's backstory.  Later she was asked if certain villainous characters were based on Nazis, and she said there were elements of that, but we should recognize various regimes throughout history in the books, and that people ought to question authority be it the regime or the press. In the same segment (dealing with politics and the nazi question) she said the books are a plea for tolerance and to end bigotry.

    One may certainly have a problem with the answers, but I'd urge people to go with what was actually said, rather than a short press review where a few slight changes can make a big difference. And again, my plea for this isn't about the books per se (I've seen reasonable arguments on both "sides" plus a lot of unreasonable ones) but about our witness to the Truth. Our arguments are seen by non Catholics and non Christians, and thus it's important we have wisdom and fairness and credibility, if we want to convince people about many things more important than these books.

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    One of the best bits I've read in the aftermath of the "dumbledore announcement" is at http://www.scificatholic.com/  (though I think he's a bit harsh on O'Brien, though I agree that O'Brien's arguments are somewhat flawed).

    I'm still reading and thinking and praying on this myself. I urge caution and prudence. I still find the books fine for well formed older kids and adults. I never found them appropriate for younger children, especially the later books. I like the Christian Imagery, Virtues (despite very flawed and 'real' characters), and moral battles the characters face (this has led to much fruitful discussion in our house). But I never thought of the books as holy writ. I always had the impression the author was not a 'new age' person, but a relatively liberal main line Christian. So if she did come out saying she thought homosexual behavior was fine (which she has not) it would not surprise me, nor would it affect what's in the books (homosexual behavior is not in the books). I'd have much rather, though, she'd not commented on the backstory at all (or at this time), because the books had an innocence about sexual matters that was refreshing and rare in a modern novel.

    The marketing and press "spin" are very troubling to me. Gak. But they always were troubling to me. The books? Not so much. And I was so thrilled to find a book where large families were put forward as a GOOD thing, and family over materialism was a good thing, and marriage and babies were a good thing, and marriages staying together were a good thing (all in there), and where the death of the most innocent just to preserve self was condemned (one of the more powerful and "prolife" segments in the first book). Yup, it has problematic areas, too, in part due to the very fallen nature of all the characters. But then we get back, again, to why the books are not, imo, children's books.

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    Elmtree,

    Thank you for your comments.  I resonate mostly with yours.  My children are too young to read Harry Potter (the oldest is 8), so it has been a "theoretical issue" for me.  I have read some of the books, my husband has read most.  If my children ever voice an interest in the books (I seriously doubt it), I would most likely utilitze the opportunity to teach – for all the reasons you listed above.  (again, only if they are older and show maturity in reason.) 

    I am neither pro-HP or anti-HP.  The only time you will hear me pipe up is when good, thoughtful, faithful, prayerful parents are actually attacked for even CONSIDERING the use of the books.  Then it seems that I'm pro-HP, when in reality, I am only rooting for their right to exercise their parental authority and decisions.  You won't hear a peep from me if someone decides to ban HP.

    And, yes, for those of you doubting, we read all the other literature, Christian literature, too. 

    As for the incantations used in the book (and there aren't very many at all in the first 3 books that I read), all I can say is – I took Latin in high school for 2 years…a long time ago.  If I was writing this book, the words used would be what I would come up with based on that little background I have.  If they are the actual words used in sorcery today (and I'm not saying they are not), then I'm not sure where to go with that.  To me, they seem quite made-up.  Maybe this is why many do have a problem believing it.

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    Claireoneill wrote:  " I ask a favor of all parents: when people who have lived in the "shadows" of evil step foward, as so many of us did, and say there is evil here we know because we have lived it, please consider what we are saying. We have nothing to gain by admitting we were once evil and that Jesus stole us back. "

    Amen to that claireoneill!   Well said.  Unless you have been there you just do not understand the dangers.  Please parents, take heed!

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    Then again we have to understand that what is a near occasion of sin for one person may not be for another and what is a near occasion of sin may very well depend on someone's backgound.

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    Hi All,

    I have read some of the books and seen the films, and interviewed Nancy Brown on her new book "The Mystery of Harry Potter; A Catholic Guide for Families" (find the podcast interview through http://www.missionmoment.org). It's tough to say HP is evil. That's a whole other discussion! But let me offer a clarification regarding the article above (which was more about the homosexual wizard idea; It's important to be sensitive in this issue, lest we hate the sinner AND the sin. I revised my blog post (the original post) 3 times before sending it in to CE. Above I have stated "Does this mean that homosexuals are evil and are going to Hell? No."

    I want to clarify with what is on the blog now; "Does this mean that people with homosexual inclinations are evil and are going to Hell? No." I think the distinction is a subtle one. We are tempted (inclined) to do things that are wrong, against our nature, and against God's plan for our happiness. When we fully and willingly engage in homosexual acts, or adulterous acts, or murderous acts, we are certainly choosing Hell over Heaven. But the temptations or tendencies towards those grave disorders do not make us guilty of them. We have to engage in those desires, give in to them. Letting the evil into the heart is what makes it our own. For more on the Church's teaching regarding homosexuality and the treatment of persons inclined so, see the Catechism:

    2357 …Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

    2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition."

    Peace,
    Bill Donaghy

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    interesting article and comments . i too wondered if some parents only got worried about Harry potter books when hearing about this new sound byte about the character Dumbledore.  i would find that something for parents to look at  in themselves. sin is sin.

    at the same time,friends who are parents read the books with their kids and found it a teachable moment. but beware getting comfortable with the world of "magic" it has burned many.

    The author makes a profound remark that there is no wooden wand that will free one from sexual brokenness(my paraphrase) but the wood of the Cross heals all who seek it.

    i 'd like to give a plug for a great catholic group i support thats not well known enough. its called  Courage, its a support group for catholics who struggle with same sex attractions  who wish to live a chaste life according to the teaching of the catholic church.  info can be found at couragerc.net.  it includes a support network for family and friends called Encourage.It helps ordinary catholics who live with unwanted homosexual feelings to strive for holiness. the group, and its members could use the support of all catholics.

     

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    Just a couple quick questions:

    Never read the HP books or saw the movie, so forgive my ignorance…

    It would appear Dumbledore has no "life partner", is this correct?

    In or out of context, if Rowling says Dumbeldore has no "love life" because he is gay, wouldn't that be the way it should be if he is gay?

    If Dumbledore has done nothing to promote a homosexual agenda in the books or the movie, i.e condone it, argue for it, engage in homosexual acts, then isn't this how Christians would hope he would act?

    Bottom line (and, once again I have no idea of the "evilness" of the books/movie, really not interested in them and neither are my kids), if he is gay and living a celibate life, not pushing a gay agenda, wouldn't that be a great example for kids when it comes to explaining homosexual people vs homosexual activity?

    How could we just fly into a rage because someone has a cross to bear that we don't?

    Or is the love we are supposed to show lip service?

    I know it is always difficult to put it into action, but for too many, it is too easy to say it rather than live it.

    Let's not be the ones following the widely paved easy path.

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    Ray II,

    I loved your comments above. Beautifully voiced, and may they sink in. I think in our haste to hate evil, we sometimes burn the souls caught in a crossfire of this sex-obsessed and completely disoriented society. It's worth the effort and also very Christ-like to sift through the weeds and the wheat to the human heart, and with God's grace, to speak mercy and truth. Mercyisfalling, great insights above, and thanks for that very good resource in Courage, a ministry healing and helping those with same sex attraction. (http://www.couragerc.net) This site received the Triple Excellence Award from http://www.Catholicculture.net

    Peace,
    Bill Donaghy

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    I don't know if it maekes any sense to anyone but me, but here it is:

    Our Lord talked about God's Law as more than "how far can we go before such-and-such is a sin" and in fact blessed those who hunger and thirst for righteousness.

    It seems like much of the discussions on HP and persons struggling with homosexuality dwell in the first way of looking at God's plan; namely the "how far can we go before it's a sin" category.

    We are better than that.  As followers of Jesus Christ, we are called to be perfect, not out of duty, but out of love for the One who loves us.

    So if it does not help us get closer to our Father to think this or that about HP, it would be better to think about something that does.

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    Reading through all the comments, I think I've got all the research I need. Real spells….but don't worry. Yeah, you play with fire, you get burned. Don't need to read these books this lifetime.

     

    Funny how people in positions to influence millions don't wield that power for the better of their fellow man. Also funny how rationalization will get you anywhere but Heaven.

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    Elmtree — Thank you for the link to the transcript of Ms. Rowlings comments. Having read it, I find that she made both comments quoted here, "I've always thought of Dumbledore as gay," AND "Dumbledore is gay."

    The "thought of" comment was in response to the question asked at the lecture. Later, she quoted herself as having told a screenwriter that the headmaster "is gay."

    I appreciate Ray II's comments about homosexual people vs. homosexual acts. It is critically important to love all people, homosexual and heterosexual, and Ray II is correct that Dumbledore's apparent celibacy will be a marvelous example to our children about the difference between homosexual persons and homosexual acts.

    It is important to note, however, that Ms. Rowling did NOT refer to Dumbledore as "homosexual;" she referred to him as "gay." This reference implies an identification with the active homosexual lifestyle, not a "Courage"-ous celibate lifestyle.

    Ms. Rowling also made a passing reference to the fan fiction that will now be generated by her announcement. She knows what direction it will take now that she's revealed Dumbledore "is gay." I suspect it will not be as sanitary as the fiction she wrote.

    Just one more comment supporting claireoneill. In 1999, J.K. Rowling gave an interview on the Diane Rehm show in which she stated that some of her spells are real. Here's the quote:

    "I do do a certain amount of research, and folklore is quite important in the books. So where I’m mentioning … a spell that people used to believe genuinely worked … then I will find out exactly what the words were." http://wamu.org/programs/dr/99/10/20.php#13962

    Notice the ellipses in the quote. In those asides, Ms. Rowling basically dismissed the idea that those spells ever worked. But I think it's important that she herself has admitted that known spells were included in her books, and thus have been fed to the children who read them.

     

    NOTE: I updated the link to the Diane Rehm 1999 interview with J. K. Rowling. Unfortunately, this will knock my comments out of the original order. As you read, please know that my comments originally appeared "3 spots" ago. Sorry for the inconvenience.

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    Hi all,
    I posted some thoughts of mine and some links over at my blog…
    …mainly "Bad writer, no biscuit!" In other words, no fair of JKR to add material to her book *after* it's been published. 
    But I agree with Ray II a couple comments up: just because a person is gay doesn't mean he is she is automatically steeped in sin. Homosexuality is a state of being that is not, of itself, sinful. Like Ray II said, if Dumbledore walked away from the Grindewald episode and has never ventured into romantic territory of any kind since then, that's an endorsement of everything the RCC teaches about homosexuality: live the virtue of chastity no matter what your state in life and no matter what your orientation. 
    peace, and Merry Christmas everybody!
    Clare, blogging at Always Advent

    http://www.claresiobhan.stblogs.com

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