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In the Beginning

The New Year is a time for new beginnings.  Its significance goes beyond personal resolutions and is connected with the religious values of beginnings, of birth and renewal. 

As Christians, we look to Christ to make all things new.  But man's original beginning, his origin, is also important and much disputed these days.  Cardinal Schönborn, the Archbishop of Vienna, deems this "beginning" so important that he has devoted a series of catechetical lectures on the topic of creation and evolution at his cathedral.  Creation and evolution have come to represent two radically different explanations of our origins.  Evolutionism (note the "ism") claims to have no need of any God or Creator.  And so we have two clashing stories competing to be "The Story" that will determine man's understanding of himself.

Cardinal Schönborn set off a firestorm a little over a year ago when he published the article "Finding Design in Nature" in the New York Times.  Schonborn subsequently clarified that his intention was not to make a scientific argument, nor a theological argument, but a philosophical one. He said his essay was "designed to awaken Catholics from their dogmatic slumber about positivism in general and evolutionism in particular."  He wants Catholics to wake up to the largely ideological nature of modern science.  He specifically objects to the tendency, even among Catholics, to accept the tenets of scientism through a kind of dualism, which Schönborn understands as a "habit of thought in which physical reality is conceived of according to the reductive claims of modern science (which is to say, positivism), combined in a mysterious way with a belief in the immaterial realities of the human and divine spirits as known only by faith (which is to say, fideism)." 

 This view concedes the whole realm of human experience to the authority of science and relegates spiritual things to the level of pure fantasy or revelation.  On the contrary, Schönborn is concerned to emphasize that the Church has always proclaimed that man's reason, unaided by faith, can know of the reality of God the Creator and His providence.  In other words, the reality of God, and therefore religion, is rooted in human experience, not just in divine revelation.  And if it is rooted in human experience, it is also possible that it could be found in that kind of experience with which science deals.

That debates about evolution are ideological in nature is exemplified by last year's decision by a federal judge in Pennsylvania who ruled that the Intelligent Design (ID) movement was religion and could not be considered science.  Besides the ridiculousness of a court deciding what can be considered science and what can't, the judge proved too much.  Not that long ago, cosmology was shaken by a story about the beginning of the universe called the "big bang theory."  Like ID, it was resisted and ridiculed, not so much because it didn't have anything going for it, but because of its religious ramifications.

By the judge's reasoning, the inflationary view of the universe should not be considered science because there are obvious religious implications to the fact that the universe was not always here.  The big bang theory must be religion because the theory was developed by Georges Lemaitre, a Catholic priest, who was obviously trying to impose the biblical creation story on the universe.  But this is absurd; the big bang theory is accepted by nearly all scientists today, and it is irrelevant to the theory's scientific status if Lemaitre was inspired by Genesis or not.   And if he was inspired by Genesis, it was precisely this inspiration that helped him to discover the origin of the universe, while it was the materialist prejudice that was blinding scientists to discovering it.  But those prejudices still prevail in the scientific world.  The possibility of design in nature is dismissed as religion simply because of its ramifications, or because some of its advocates are religious.

But real science will continue despite all efforts by judges to define it or atheists to tell us what science can imply and what it can't.  Science is, above all, a pragmatic enterprise; it is spurred on by whatever it happens to find useful, and no one will be able to stop teleology from coming back to biology with a vengeance if it proves to be more reasonable, more stimulating and more fruitful.  What happened in the beginning affects us today and tomorrow, and so it is crucial that we understand our true origins.

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    This article mentions evolutionism, positivism, fideism, dualism and scientism. Do I have to know what these are, or is simple Catholicism enough?

    It also has a few “ologies”: theology, ideology, cosmology and teleology.

    Is it really correct to claim “That debates about evolution are ideological in nature”?

    Perhaps an interesting study would be to compare Darwin’s and Mendel’s contributions to modern science.

    I agree with the statement “the big bang theory is accepted by nearly all scientists today”.

    God bless,

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    In my own experience (granted, it is limited in the field of cosmology, as it was not my direct field), the scientists now (as in…in the past 15 years or so) working on cosmology do not really deal with this science vs religion debate that the rest of the world seems to.
    I, too, would agree that many/most scientists “accept” the big bang theory – but you have to understand what “accept” means.
    There are MULTIPLE big bang theories!
    After taking a course by Alan Guth, it was clear to me that these people (the SCIENTISTS) are quite reasonable about reason. They are the first to acknolwedge that even the Big Bang THEORY is a theory with problems. And they continue to work to better and better improve it.

    Does it conflict with religion? I don’t see these scientists bothering to ask that. Even THEY seem to know that religion and science answer different questions (why vs what). It’s the pseudo-scientists that enter the “faith and science do not mix” foray.

    Now, I am even less knowledgable about the biologists (was never my strong point), but I doubt very many ACTUAL SCIENTISTS hold to the DARWIN theory of evolution (which IS explicitly against a belief in God). They hold to the general notion of “survival of the fittest” (which is only part of Darwin’s theory). AND, I would not be surprised if they recognize the holes in ITS theory as well…and continue to research and fill in the gaps (just as cosmology continues to develop). I doubt many are doing it to put God out. Most just want to get to the deeper “what” of the science.

    In my theory, they will never fully get to the complete “what” of anything. There’s always 100 questions that develop from 1 answer that is found. That’s the beauty of science. It’s like a gigantic “puzzle” for those that enjoy solving them.

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    I read your comments with interest and approval as one who follows this argument in the media and who has to face teenagers in a classroom who ask related questions.

    It is very clear that science and religion answer different questions, as you articulately explain regarding creation. BUT why do you not apply the same understanding to evolution?

    I fail to see how the claims of Darwin do any damage to the faith filled Christian acclamation of God as Creator and Lord of history. Evolution is another exploration of “how” which no scientist, and definitely not Darwin himself, has claimed to answer “why” in any ontological sense.

    The evolutionary value of SURVIVAL makes a claim on the biological “why” of what is as a biological system. But this makes no claim to explain “why” what is, “is” in the first place, or the “why” of survival’s survival. Theology starts with a transcendent system and is not science, which is based on observation of material. Admittedly, the “ism” that goes with “evolutionism,” and the teleology which says that, soul-less, we are all just a biological system in survival mode, implies an atheistic evolutionary theory and that, by definition, is hostile to religious claims.

    Evolution, however, need not be “evolutionism.” For any person of faith, we cannot be reduced to animals whose purpose is raw survival. More importantly, such an idea is foreign to evolution as a biological system. For example, the question of soul, is by definition not scientific.

    I hope scientists among us can MORE CLEARLY hammer out to the public how GENUINE science is not about usurping religion. I hope religious leaders can MORE CLEARLY hammer out to the public how GENUINE religion is not about science.

    I think, in addition, that Theology not only can, but should make a mature friendship with evolution, because to not create this amicable relationship with clear boundaries, makes room for the false idolatry of making a supposedly God inspired cause, a pseudo-theological “cause celebre,” of a fight between science and religion.

    This is a time when common knowledge is growing, especially among Catholics, of what the Bible is, as the word of God in human words. Measuring by the content of popular Catholic religion texts in high school and college, this knowledge of the Bible as what God spoke through human authors whose intended meaning must be the first (though not the last) measure of what the Bible’s meaning is for us, this knowledge is pretty consistently taught today.

    So, I agree that the ‘what’ and “why” of things will keep both science and religion going, but how can we build a much more educated society on the middle position of letting science be science, and religion be religion, especially when we have fundamentalists misinterpreting both the Bible and religion?

    To my mind, we’ve got to work on not letting the fundamentalist fondness for battle positions, poison our growing appreciation of God’s glory through scientific knowledge. After all, do we not believe that our praise of God and our enjoyment of praising God, is directed towards the Creator who’s Life, life itself proclaims?

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    Joe,
    Maybe I wasn’t too clear, or I just assumed people have read Darwin himself.
    Darwin, himself, DID make claims that can do damage to the faith of Christians. It was Darwin, himself, that tried to apply science as religion, stating that his theory took God out of the equation – so to speak. However, when we think of “theory of evolution” today…many of us are thinking in his general “survival of the fittest” and that is all. (no harm there, really)
    Darwin went further, and tried to make it a WHY instead of a WHAT. That is why we must be careful when speaking of “evolution”…it depends on which one you’re talking about.

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    In fact, this is kinda what happened with Galileo as well. It was Galileo that crossed the boundary of science and religion. But that boundary back in Galileo’s time was pretty blurry – since then there was no “physics”, “philosophy”, “theology”, “biology”, etc…all nice and compartmentalized. Instead, there was just a general “metaphysics” that was an umbrella “scientific approach” if you will.

    The Church was not against scientific research. But it was Galileo, who upon his discoveries began TEACHING that these results were in direct contradiction with the Bible. He was not authorized to teach such things. If he had done like his predicessor, Copernicus, and just stated the results (without religious interpretation behind it), it would have (granted, slowly) been more palatable more quickly. But Galileo made the mistake of mixing the WHY with the WHAT and insisting that the science was contradicting the faith. HEaps of trouble.

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    Well, Darwinism in all its aspects is so totally without evidence, a century and a half and more after its promulgation, that ‘ideologist’ fits its most die-hard adherents frankly more than ‘scientist’. And, they seem to be so die-hard, often at their worst, in direct response to God, intelligent design, etc. Remember, the fool (the materialist) says there is no God.

    Many scientists are religious, but I have a hunch that they are religious the way I have witnessed engineers being religious, familial, etc. I have seen quite a number of engineers up close. My father-in-law (convert to Catholicism) was one; both (ex-, practicing Lutheran and current, lapsed Catholic) my daughter’s fathers-in-law are engineers; both of my sisters married engineers (one Mormon, the other agnostic). Engineers seem to develop a focus that has them far more devoted to, ‘married to’ and ‘nurturing of’ what they engineer (perhaps, i.e., materially non-human) than any non-work-life aspect in their lives. In fact, they are hard-pressed to make much other than their engineering work an enthusiasm in their lives, even of their faith.

    If scientists are like these engineers, they so compartmentalize their lives that faith has little apparency except among those with whom they are the very closest. I can see how such detached ways can lead them down a path whereby embryoes are not human but scientific experiments. And, they are really only most comfortable in their scientific work. And, they are unlikely to evangelize in any case.

    I remain your obedient servant, but God’s first,

    Pristinus Sapienter

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    What happened in the beginning affects us today and tomorrow, and so it is crucial that we understand our true origins. What happened in the beginning affects us today and tomorrow, and so it is crucial that we understand our true origins.

    Now, this statement has aspects that I can argue with, in that the author seems to want me to be assured that science has anything to say to Genesis. Genesis is the beginning that pertinently and relevantly informs me. Big Bang is God’s way, or not, and is interesting only in so far that it is . . . ‘interesting’. I.e., it is not vital to me, no matter how I look at it.

    I guess that you could say that my faith has this ‘how-of-creation’ issue beat, dead flat. My faith has had enough from my reason for both to be serene.

    I was a computer systems analyst and architect. I can relate to that side of scientists (and engineers) that is analytical, but only so far. Then, my analysis had to switch into human-user mode. I surely did nothing ‘just because it could be done’.

    Science, computers and their programs, engineering objectives, etc., are of service to God and man; or, they are, to me, suspect and questionable. To me there is a pretense to Darwinism of the preclusion that it simply must be of service to us – outside of providing some persons jobs – because the scientists say so. As well as no evidence for the darwinian theory, there is not clear or even vague ‘service’ to us from it, either. Even intelligent design may have its greatest service to us in putting us in our place – on our knees before our Creator-Designer Who so bothers to love us.

    You would do well, parents, to inform your child that his PC and ‘Net use is of service to him, or is just so much piffle, some of which could do disservice to him. The most powerful computer on earth is but a means of service, or it is a desperately expensive pile of material.

    I remain your obedient servant, but God’s first,

    Pristinus Sapienter

    (wljewell @catholicexchange.com or … yahoo.com)

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    Without misunderstanding each person’s “viewpoint”, in hardly raising a finger to become a proposition, or having their heart stopped by the “importance” of these views, which, in truth, each man knows best how to reply if asked but otherwise doesn’t really care.

    The Spirit of God moved over the face of the waters, and the Spirit descended like a dove and went lightening upon him and cloven tongues like as of fire were present: sounds as if God works perfectly fine with what we call the dreaded “material.”

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    Thank you for the discussion. We should not lose sight of the significance of this issue. While millions of school children are being literally misled about the so called “science” of Darwinian evolution, many are simply asleep at the switch. What we often overlook, often by way of simple indifference, is the undeniable fact that Darwinian evolution is a product of secular humanism, and when we have the government refusing to permit the mere discussion of intelligent design under the guise of “establishment” of religion, we permit those with the goal of turning us away from faith to succeed with the government’s help. The “dictatorship of relativism” is having profound consequences, and this issue is one elementary to it. We should all continue to pay attention to it, and promote every opportunity to educate those who have not yet had a chance to focus upon it.

    Blessings to all.

    BCA

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    Thanks for the discussion. I’ve been talking about this issue with my college age child quite a bit. We’ve concluded much of the above: “Whew!” In addition, you are right on in stating that “fundamentalism” is a major stumbling block for any person with half a brain who wants to understand the what/why of the universe.

    Anybody who has been to Pisa, think Leaning Bell Tower, and inside the church there knows how the Pisano pulpet interprets the relationship between science and reason. It is all the catechesis I’ll ever need on the subject and it was carved centuries ago.

    Let us continue to have our own faith strengthened as we revel in God’s marvelous creation. And may the blind—–see.

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    Thanks for the response. It is a privilege to exchange thoughts and knowledge. I agree heartily that “evolution” can be harmless or harmful, depending on what we mean by it. Although I wasn’t very clear myself, I was trying to say that evolution, as science should not threaten theological belief. This is true to me, because I understand science to be limited to the observation of the physical. I think I understand how confusion can enter the definition of science and religion. They both interpret existence. Yet, it is clear to me that science can never claim spiritual authority by its very nature. Similarly, religion can never claim scientific authority by its very nature. In spite of many efforts which I call “pseudo-science” to claim spiritual phenomena as valid scientific observations, which is a whole other concern, I think science’s interpretation of existence will always be living or physical systems without any transcendent component. Religion, on the other hand, will always start with the transcendent as a given. This is summed up nicely by the terms, “What and HOW” [science] and “Why” [religion]. This is a divide, somehow, which WE NEED TO TEACH. Confusion appears to be rampant. Perhaps that would be a good topic for further discussion. Now, what about Darwin, evolution, and those who interpret Darwin today?

    First, thank you for correcting me. I was wrong about Darwin in saying that he certainly did not claim a “why” in his theory of evolution. A review of Michael Ruse’s book (below) shows that by his theory of evolution, Darwin intended a replacement for some form of faith. Nevertheless, what he did mean to accomplish exactly is apparently not clear, given that he was a Deist who opposed irrationality and superstition; two modes of thinking also opposed by Christianity. Further, as a biological scientist friend has told me, Darwin was a serious scientist. (I believe one of the other posts in this discussion pointed out a similar circumstance with Galileo, who though scientifically in the right, got into trouble by teaching outside of science, and against current religious beliefs.) I haven’t read Darwin, but for quotes in Michael Ruse’s book, “The Evolution-Creation Struggle.” So, I have much to learn and will end for now with a hypothesis and a question.

    I think Evolution should be interpreted first of all as a science and not as a religious worldview for the following reasons.

    1. Science has established evolutionary development, whatever its limits are, as factual.
    2. The “us vs. them” arguments between science and religion are stupidly maintained on a literal reading of Genesis and vilification of science.
    3. Darwin’s first concern was science, and notwithstanding the excesses that Spencer and others, apparently, who spun Darwin’s work into a what many Catholics came to call a Modernist heresy (atheistic evolution), evolution as science enriches our appreciation of God’s creation.
    4. Teachers are charged with the task of building informed and reasonable interpretation of both religion and science so as to see their distinctions and complementariness.

    In agreement with the original article, I think “evolutionism” should be defined, called attention to, and learnedly opposed. Also, I think “scientism” is a term whose use would make the original article much clearer. Re-reading Killian makes me think the false claims of science were the real targets of the archbishop’s lecture. Further, I think Killian “muddied” things by putting the focus on “true origins.” Again, for a Christian “true origins” can never be atheistic, meaning that there is nothing in evolution that can threaten Christian faith. Any scientific merit compliments faith.

    If I am “on target” with these values, it follows that we should learn more – starting with myself would be good – about Darwin, but not make a target of him or a crusade about his findings. Let’s let science continue to weigh his merits as science. I imagine Christian opposition tends to make some scientists less “scientific” about their work. And as well, I hope the various Christian communities can dismiss any credibility in Darwin for interpreting Genesis, the origin of the world, or any purpose beyond physical existence. To use his scientific data as a tool of theological reflection seems ok to me. Why not? But as in any theological reflection, primacy must be given to understanding Scripture and Tradition (for Catholics, the Magisterium) regarding the issues under investigation.

    If one is careful on what science is and is not, and to the extent that evolution claims to be scientific, should it not follow that Christians have nothing to fear from it for its rationality, its openness to disproval, and its deepening exposition of the world, a place – as the original article points out – which reflects and at least to some extent mediates God?

    I’m sorry I have gone on too much here and that I have stated this last question rhetorically, but does my reasoning seem true to you?

    Also, any thoughts on building a clearer and more mature understanding on the relationship of science and religion vis a vis evolution?

    Joe

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    I think you ARE on target. And I agree that posing “intelligent design” vs “evolution” only muddles the distinction between science and faith. I refuse to enter that debate because I think the debate is futile.

    But I’m not sure at all about how to use evolution to build a clearer and/or more mature understanding of the relationship of science and religion. I can only think of ways that evolution (in general…not specifically Darwinism) does not necessarily contradict our Catholic Faith. That shows that there is not necessarily the big controversy that many seem to have created. I just cannot get my heart behind one or the other because, to me, it is irrelevant. Genesis gives me all the WHY I need to know. When you know the WHY, it really is hard to want to bother with the WHAT and HOW.

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    Dear Ipioch,

    I very much relate to the sense in “it really is hard to want to bother with the WHAT and the HOW.” I think I generally feel that sense of the WHAT and HOW not being really important. BUT I know Christian theology will fall apart or become twisted without the Creation and the Incarnation. Both of these areas of dogmatic belief (God is Creator and was Incarnated in Jesus) make WHAT and HOW truly important. In this discussion, I think EVOLUTION and DARWIN are two points where Catholics can help the ignorant and delusional, sorry for the strong words, who think that the Bible is a scientific document and that Darwin was a raving athiest, to improve their understanding.

    My thinking goes like this and seems to have risen from the Bible. The world declares the glory of God. God’s creation was, is, and has a purpose of good. Science is the most powerful modern tool to understand the WHAT and HOW of the world, a world whose meaning and purpose can not be expressed by science, but only by theology and to some extent poetry. So, in as much as science reveals what is, it helps Christians deepen their understanding of God’s creation, which ultimately carries his will and purpose.

    If we can create an amicable mutual appreciation between science and religion, especially between evolutionary biological theory and Christianity, then we are fighting fundamentalism, which conitnues its effort to reduce the Bible to fact, thus dismantling its truth.

    What do you think?

    joe swoboda

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    Hi all

    I have not read all this discussion with care.

    However to me an engineer and a scientist are different.

    The engineer wants to know “how”, the scientist want to know “why”.

    Last semester I did a course on the Pentateuch and wrote an essay on the first three words of the Bible. If you are interested, I will send you a copy as an attachment.

    God bless,

    NoelFitz.
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    Joe, I’ll have to think a little more about an answer to you.

    Noel, I would have to disagree with you. It’s a confusion, let’s say, of the meanings of “what” and “why”. Without going into defining them, I’ll illustrate (as I’m a scientist).

    I would have to say, that the easy way to ask a scientific question would be using “why”. For instance,
    “Why do electrons and protons behave differently? Why do they have the charges they do (etc)?”
    That may be the immediate first question…but the answer to the question really is an answer to a “what”: as in…the answer lies in the question “What are they made of?”

    Or, more directly to this conversation, we may ask questions like “Why do some species have similarities to others?” But the answer really lies in the question, “What differentiates those species, and what caused the differentiations?”

    To get an answer, the scientist has to delve in the “what” question…the “why” question is too ethereal (and I don’t mean the ether stuff) to actually investigate.

    So, yes, initially, the scientist may ask “why” – but to actually DO the science, it must be reformulated into a “what” question.

    Whereas in religion (maybe even more generally philosophy?), the “why” question pretty much has to end up being reformulated into “who”?

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