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Charlie, Charlie, Who Are You?

As the author of a book about demons and exorcism, I guess I shouldn’t have been surprised when, over Memorial Day weekend, I received a number of emails asking me to comment on the “Charlie Charlie Challenge.” During the last week or so, this alleged means of contacting a “Mexican spirit” has spread through social media and surged in popularity among teens.

The “challenge” goes like this: Two intersecting lines are drawn on a piece of paper; the word yes is written in two opposite squares and no is written in the other two. Then a pencil is laid down on the horizontal line, and another is laid across it vertically. The player then says, “Charlie, Charlie, can we play?” and watches to see if “Charlie the Mexican demon” moves one or both pencils toward a yes or no square. Players continue asking yes or no questions and laying the pencils one on top of the other to see the answers. The internet is full of spooky videos showing the “demon” moving the pencils.

Not having pencils handy, I went into the secretary’s office to get some, and tried it, without—of course—the accompanying paper and invocation to the demon. Sometimes neither pencil moved, sometimes one moved, and sometimes both moved. It depended on where on the desk I placed them, and the amount of friction keeping the one on top of the other. Later I talked to my goddaughter—a grade-school teacher—and she said her students have played this game, and one girl confessed to moving the pencils by exhaling through her nose.

I think we can conclude that the movement of the pencils does not necessarily signify a demonic presence. Although it is possible that the devil could express himself in even the most mundane ways, I think the vast majority of those playing this game are not communicating with demons. Catholics should not blame the devil every time a pencil rolls across a desk.

But does that mean this is an acceptable game for Catholics, just for fun? Definitely not.

The only spiritual beings we call upon are God, his angels, and his saints; and certainly none of them are going to give us secret information through a pencil trick. Silly as it is, if one’s  intention were to contact spirits, playing this game would be at least a venial sin,. We should teach children and teens to distinguish between the scary and the sacrilegious. If young people want to have fun in spooky ways, I don’t see anything inherently sinful: with scary fictional stories (Irish folklore is full of these), make-believe “haunted houses” at Halloween, and movies with monsters such as vampires and werewolves (provided they are not gory). Attempts to contact spirits or see the future, on the other hand, whether through Ouija boards, psychics, horoscopes, or even the “Charlie Charlie Challenge,” are putting faith in things other than God and—rare though it actually happens—inviting the possibility of true demonic influence. 

What should Catholic parents do if their children ask about it or have played it? My advice is not to overdramatize the demonic aspect of it, since it is doubtful (though not impossible) that they would contact a demon. Instead, I advise reminding them that one of the reasons God became man was to free us from the oppression of the devil (Acts 1:38). Our Lord subjected himself to the horrible suffering of the Crucifixion, therefore it would be greatly offensive to him if we attempted a playful conversation with his enemy. If they have played it, have them pray a rosary with you tonight, in reparation for sins and for protection against any demonic presence. And then quit worrying about it.

If children and teens show an interest in things with spiritual power, have them carry a small crucifix in their pocket, and keep holy water handy in their bedrooms. Be sure to explain the difference between magic/superstition and sacramentals: the former are human attempts to control things in the spirit world, the latter are acknowledgements of God’s control over the spirit world.

A good counterbalance to young peoples’ attraction to the spooky is to introduce them to the numinous. In his book The Problem of Pain, C.S. Lewis describes the difference between fear and what he calls the experience of the numinous. If you were told there is a tiger in the next room, you would likely feel fear. If you were told there is a ghost in the next room, and you believed it, you would feel fear of a different kind; less fear of what it might do to you and more of the fact of its presence. But if you believed a great spirit were present in the next room, your feeling would be that of the numinous: “A sense of inadequacy to cope with such a visitant and of prostration before it.”

To experience this, take your teens into the church to pray when no one else is present (you might need to arrange in advance with the pastor). Take them to a cemetery at night, and pray for the souls in purgatory. Drive out to the country on a clear night and look at the stars. Feeling awful is a good thing, if it is the creator of the universe before whom we feel full of awe.

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7 responses to “Charlie, Charlie, Who Are You?”

  1. John Avatar
    John

    With all due respect, Fr. Driscoll, it appears that you are ‘out of touch’ with reality in this article. I haven’t read your book yet, although I purchased it, but if your book is anything like this article, it would be just a waste of my time!
    Do you know what is on TV these days? Do you pay attention to the media? Do you see the books and movies that are produced? Do you see the falling numbers of those who even believe in God? Are you up with the times?
    Apparently not. If you did, you would show ‘great’ concern for the clever ways of satan and his demons. He is indeed ‘cunning, baffling, and powerful’. You totally underestimate him. You would know that if you were in ‘reality’. I hope you get with the current times, and teach people and their children how to defend themselves from the ease with which demons can and do enter our lives, rather than dismiss these activities as ‘not’ very dangerous!

  2. Louis Melgoza Avatar
    Louis Melgoza

    Fr. Driscoll,

    I have to agree with “John”. As one of the few Catholic Laity who have attended the classes on “Exorcism and the Prayer of Liberation” in Rome and has been trained for for dealing with these issues, my view of what you relate in your article is very misleading. This (your) type of approach to these types of issues is the exact problem affecting our Church, the trivialization of Evil. How often are we told, “don’t blame the Devil for everything bad that happens…” or “the more attention we give the Devil, the more power you give him…”

    Well let me just say, we have not given him enough attention! In fact many of us don’t give him any attention, therefore we fall into his traps all the time. Let’s remember that this “life” is a ZERO SUM GAME! Either you recognize the enemy and fight against him, as part of The Church Militant or you are on his side…NO MIDDLE GROUND!

    When a priest or bishop speak as you did in your article, that is scary! It is scary because you have a following. You use the right words but water down the gospel message. Games such as this, “Charlie…”, are a homegrown type of Satanism, which is becoming accessible to our children. Now that is the truth. Father, I don’t care that you have written a book, I don’t care if you have written one hundred books. Your position is one of holiness, loyalty and respect, please do not forget whom you serve!
    Father, please don’t get caught on the wrong side!

    With respect.

    Peace

  3. Sev Avatar
    Sev

    You tried summoning a demon?? Well, that was smart……. *rolls eyes*

  4. John Avatar
    John

    Overdramatize?
    What does that mean? When teaching children about the dangers of fire, should we not be absolutely clear about it? That they should not play with it? Then, what if the child played with fire anyway, got burned but kept if ‘hidden’ so nobody would know, due to shame and guilt?
    How about crossing the street? Should we overdramatize the danger, or wait until something happens that might hurt them? Then, if they nearly get killed but decided to keep it a ‘secret’ so they won’t get into trouble…is that ok?
    These are examples of ‘clear and present’ dangers, and so ‘logic’ tells us what to do…’maybe’…
    Demons, on the other hand ARE NOT clear…and…cannot be seen, but are definitely ‘present’ dangers…unless of course one believes that they either do not exist, which is widespread today – or worse – that they are not very dangerous…so ‘don’t worry’ about them. It’s not the ‘obvious’ demonic presence that we need to be concerned about, when we ‘knowing’ turn to idolatry – which is widespread by the way. It’s the ‘unknowing’ ways that demons gain entry into our lives that we need to be very concerned about. Those ‘unseen’ influences that LEAD us down the wrong road until it becomes extremely difficult to turn back or even know how to turn back.
    The ‘key’ to knowing if demons have attached themselves to our lives is simple while ‘difficult’ at the same time: Are we actively working ‘for’ the kingdom of God or not? If not, we need to clean house. If we are, we need to protect our selves from the return of the demon(s), as Jesus said “by keeping our house clean”!

  5. John Avatar
    John

    Given that analogy, Jesus can also be the forbidden fruit for those who are not properly disposed to receive Him. Are you suggesting that there should be no rules governing receiving communion so that people can just receive Him no matter what lifestyle they live, so that He is no longer made out to be the ‘forbidden fruit’?

  6. Louis Melgoza Avatar
    Louis Melgoza

    Thanks for you “advice” but it’s folly.
    Peace

  7. John Avatar
    John

    I don’t understand. Are you equating Catholic Answers to a priest who wrote and published a book about this topic?

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