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On the 50th Anniversary of the University of San Diego

From the very beginning of his ministry as the first bishop of San Diego, Bishop Charles Francis Buddy envisioned the founding of a Catholic university. In letters to Mother Rosalie Hill, he encouraged the Society of the Sacred Heart to join him in his dream.

This parallels what happened in the earliest days of the American Republic when Archbishop John Carroll, the first bishop of Baltimore, encouraged the teaching vocation of St. Elizabeth Seton who then founded this nation's first Catholic college. Consequently, for more than 200 years, American Catholic colleges and universities have been instrumental in educating successive generations: promoting respect for the human person, developing the moral character of their students and witnessing to the Christian message as proclaimed by the Catholic Church. For the past 50 years, the University of San Diego has been part of this tradition.

Now in the beginning of the third Christian millennium, USD stands poised to play an increasingly significant role in Catholic higher education. To do so, and so to realize the dream of its founders, USD must remain faithful to its roots, to its mission: to educate in the truth, for genuine freedom and evangelical love.

In one of his addresses to U. S. bishops, Pope John Paul II had this to say: “The greatest challenge to Catholic education in the United States today, and the greatest contribution that authentic Catholic education can make to American culture, is to restore to that culture the conviction that human beings can grasp the truth of things, and that in grasping that truth they can know their duties, to God, to themselves and to their neighbors.”

We must also remember with gratitude not only those who dreamt the dream of USD but all who have made the sacrifices to make the dream a reality. In the Diocese of San Diego, monthly contributions were expected from all the parishes and for the sake of USD, other parts of the total mission of the Church had to wait. At the same time, Religious of the Sacred Heart were willing to make sacrifices for a long-term commitment to what would become USD even as their fiscal and personnel resources were stretched thin because of their other worthy educational endeavors.

The tradition of Catholic involvement in colleges and universities, which goes back almost a thousand years to places like Alcalá and Padua, is now more firmly established in our country than anywhere else in the world. Today, as in the past, to belong to a university community is to stand at the crossroads of cultures which shape the future cultures which need the influence of education " of wisdom, understanding, right judgment and courage " if there is to be a future filled with hope. In this context, however, there are contemporary challenges particularly for our Catholic colleges and universities in the United States. We live at a time when knowledge is often thought to be fragmentary and never absolute, and so we look to our Catholic colleges and universities " we look to USD " to uphold the objectivity and coherence of knowledge. We look to our Catholic colleges and universities " we look to USD " to be in the forefront of a new dialogue between the empirical sciences and the truths of faith, between business and ethics, between technology and morality.

On the occasion of the 50th anniversary of the University of San Diego, we salute the founders, faculty, staff, alumni and benefactors who have brought USD to where it is today. This is also a time of commitment to the future " a commitment to provide the new insights, energy and resources necessary to accomplish at USD the mission of Catholic higher education. For this we add our prayer toward a future filled with hope for ourselves and our children and our children's children.

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    Interesting reflection.
    Does it take as an axiom that the evangelization of the highly educated must exhibit a subtlety in some way on a par with the commonly held view of intellectual development as an elite plateau?
    Doesn’t it seem clear from the Gospels that intellectual ability is not necessary to accept the good news that Jesus brings to man?
    My own ruminations, posted elsewhere, about the difficulty of establishing a credible basis for reconciling the evil (pain) in the universe with the concept of a loving Creator may well be an example of how over intellectualization can inhibit salvation. Like the rich, perhaps those advanced in intellectual abilities will have a difficult time of entry into the kingdom.

    Regards,
    Old Sigma
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    Dear OS

    Thank you so much for your reply to my post. I was delighted to get a response. It seemed for a while that my post had sunk like a lead balloon. Catholic higher education is of interest to me, as I think it is of vital importance for the future of the Church.

    In CE I would much prefer to receive a critical reply than none. So I am grateful to you.

    Our views are shaped by the media and by educated elites. Catholics must be able to defend and propagate their faith in all environments, so sound scholars are needed. The homilies we, as ordinary Catholics, get come usually from priests and they in turn should be taught by good sound teachers.

    I think it is no coincidence that our last two Popes were scholars, one a philosopher and one a theologian. I am told that in the history of the church few Popes have been academics. Now God has given them to us, when we need them.

    You wrote:
    Doesn’t it seem clear from the Gospels that intellectual ability is not necessary to accept the good news that Jesus brings to man?

    In fact it seems the opposite. Education seems to be a barrier to accepting Jesus Christ, both in his time and now. At present it may seem to some that the Catholic Church is the Church of the simple peasant, uneducated and pious. The Church is fine for those in the third world, without education, but not for others.

    In the Gospels the educated found it hard to accept Christ and Jesus was rough on them.

    For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. (Mt 5:20)

    Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which on the outside look beautiful, but inside they are full of the bones of the dead and of all kinds of filth. (Mt 23:27)

    Nowadays the Church should try to evangelize all.

    I do agree with you
    Like the rich, perhaps those advanced in intellectual abilities will have a difficult time of entry into the kingdom .

    Perhaps these should be treated like the lost sheep, and the Church should look for them

    What do you think? If a shepherd has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go in search of the one that went astray. (Mt 18:12)

    God bless,

    NoelFitz.
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    “. . . priests want to actively evangelize, rather than study.”
    (And, have not the advantage of no-pastoral-work, as McBrien does, to study.)

    “Ordinary lay Catholics, in general, do not have the background and training to defend our faith at a high academic level.”
    (That ‘high academic level’ has many [if not most, of American] Catholic colleges putting out far too few knowledgeable committed Catholics; and, of students who had entered them very close to being such good Catholics. And, who, at the academic level is so fiercely defending say, Magisterium and those old fussy doctrines that get in the way? Surely, few prominent Catholic academicians; and you aren’t going to hear them very often with MSM having a pick of ‘reliable’ dissidents . . . That said, I’ll match my spit and polish against any whom I find in less-than-Catholic catechesis and proclamation. Which last part includes Father McBrien – ‘idiot’ or call him what you will. How about ‘dissident heretic’?)

    “We rely on our scholars to defend Catholic belief and to teach us (often through their students, our parish clergy). Thus they deserve our respect and support.”
    (And, the results for our ‘respecting and supporting’ the last forty years of these so-called betters of yours? Pew populations are down up to eighty percent. I meet more lapsed Catholics than regularly practicing Catholics. CINA’s are all over the map, not only indulging in politics. I can’t say that I feel the same ‘deficiencies’ in myself about very many of them. Who, BTW, give every indication of having no respect for you and me; and obedience to the Magisterium at the leisure of agreeing with it. I support God, His Faith and His Church – not any kind of man whatever his credentials if he teaches what is contrary to Whom I support.)

    I remain your obedient servant, but God’s first,

    Pristinus Sapienter

    (wljewell @catholicexchange.com or …yahoo.com)

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    Warren

    many thanks for your reply.

    1. You say Catholic Colleges put out “too few knowledgeable committed Catholics”. University College Dublin had an exchange program with Notre Dame University, in which Notre Dame students studied in Dublin. Academically the American students were first rate and also they were an example and encouragement to the Irish students. The Americans were committed to the Church and were articulate and confident in their faith.

    2. I have a priest friend who claimed he never met a Catholic Biblical scholar who believed in God. People do exaggerate. There are academics who are priests and committed to the Church – and do a good job.

    3. You wrote “Pew populations are down up to eighty percent. I meet more lapsed Catholics than regularly practicing Catholics”. This unfortunately is true. I have written in CE negative posts on the decline/collapse of the Church in Ireland. Why is this so? It may be because primary (grade) and secondary (high) schools no longer teach religion. It may be a direct result of Vat II. This is a discussion for another day.

    4. What is CINA?

    Let the debate continue.

    God bless,

    NoelFitz.
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    Posts and Lead Balloons
    Unfortunately, bulletin boards have a tendency to give focus to threads with the larger following. If one posts during a lull period, there is a danger the post will be swamped to the “next” page of the BB list should a post be made about something of earth-shaking proportions. Everyone then latches onto the earth shaking thread and the earlier post sort of drowns in the flood.
    We should all peruse the “back” pages of this forum every now and then to see if there are worthy posts which have received too little attention.
    I’d rather I had a suggestion to cure the major problem but I’ve never seen software that does this well.

    Regards,
    Old Sigma
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    Catholic higher education is important. The problem is most Catholic universities do so much to fill minds with knowledge but do very little build people’s faith. Guys like Fr McBrien are the worst. They intentionally try and destroy the faith of young Catholics. They think they are doing them a service by teaching them to think critically. The trouble is they are only critical of catholic thinking. They uncritically embrace every hersey going. It is a fact that Catholic freshman who are practicing their faith are more likely to stop if they go to a nominally Catholic school than if they go to a fully secular school. Students expect to see the best and brightest Catholic scholars. The people they see are brilliant but they hate the church. The students are introduced to a counterfit church. They are made to beleive that is all Catholicsm has to offer. If they believe this they will reject the church because there is nothing inspiring in the spirituality of guys like Fr McBrien.

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    Dear NoelFitz,

    I do believe that we are upsetting you again – AND in spite of a priest who wonders aloud at the theism of Biblical scholars!

    CINA = ‘Catholics in name only’ – an American coinage originally pointed at federal politicians who ‘talk’ Catholic and ‘walk’ – whatever – However, CINA are LEGION!

    Randy doea a better job than I did – he focuses more on our inistitutional degradations than I did. I focused more on the McBrien phenomenon in the schools of higher education. And, it is all too true that some orthodox Cathoic parents feel it is safer for their students’ faith to send them to secular colleges, where at least anti-Catholic teaching can be anticipated and discusssed.

    Our pews are empty because such clerics as McBrien and his ilk graduate are as like dissident, disobedient know-better-know-nothings as McBrien. Some priests, I am sure, don’t even realize that they are giving out dissident heterodoxy. McBrien’s type has pulled the rug from under Catholic students; those who go on into Holy Orders then repeat pulling the rug from under parish congregations. Too many pastors offer ‘with-it’ and/or ‘feel-good’ garbage rather than meat-and-potatoes orthodoxy in rite and homily. Counter-clericalist, they have become sycophants of the culture, at the urgings of such as McBrien. I get this feeling that they are nearly rueful about ‘preaching to the choir’ even as the choir is but one more coterie of sinners, anyway.

    For all you or I could tell, the ND students exchanged to Ireland are the very scholars eager to get out of the ND atmosphere of questionable and questioned Catholicism, and looking for a breath of the Spirit’s fresh air. (Probably looking for the origins of the Fighting Irish ould-sod-wise, too.)

    I remain your obedient servant, but God’s first,

    Pristinus Sapienter

    (wljewell @catholicexchange.com or …yahoo.com)

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    Warren

    You never upset me. However you do terrify me. When I see your reply I wonder what I have said wrong. What heresy have I committed?

    You talk of the “inistitutional degradations” in the US. Maybe US education seems so great to me as we have fallen so low. Our National Seminary went through a very rough patch, but has now recovered. Just as the Church in Ireland also saw recently difficult times. But I think (and hope) that both are being renewed at present.

    We have very few students studying for the priesthood. However some of those who do so are really outstanding. Two I have in mind. In the future I may tell CE about them.

    Secondly, as you know, I am a great fan of the priest in our local Church. He gives sound uplifting sermons (often several) every day.

    Yesterday (feast of St John) he spoke about Jesus giving us the Church, which gave us the gospels. After some time names (such as John) were associated with these as the authors. He then went on to say that in the seminary he was warned not to upset the simple lay folk. He claimed then as now he did not consider ‘simple lay folk’ existed in the Church. Thus he felt free to discuss that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John may not have written the four Gospels.

    Thus I am biased in several ways, due to my environment and expereiences.

    God bless,

    NoelFitz.
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    ” as you know, I am a great fan of the priest in our local Church. He gives sound uplifting sermons (often several) every day.”

    Imagine how he could reach out through the web to so many more people. Have you ever thought of asking him about authorizing the further distribution of his homilies?

    Regards,
    Old Sigma
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    No. However I may follow your suggestion.

    Today the priest spoke about Thomas Becket. He reminded us about how Pope JP II and the Archbishop of Canterbury prayed at Becket’s tomb. The priest pointed out how the king (Henry II) wanted to control Stae and Church (through his friend Thomas). But Thomas as archbishop defended the Church.

    Later on the priest prayed for the English and England, one the ‘Dowry of Mary’.

    Finally at the end of Mass the priest recited a medieval poem about Our Lady.

    God bless,

    NoelFitz.
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    Wouldn't "Catholic in Name Only" be "CINO" and not "CINA"

     

    I'm just saying….

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    I think part of the problem is that over time we have lost the idea of 'formation' with respect to 'education'.  There is an illusion that it is possible to teach 'facts' and thus 'science' without teaching philosophy.

     

    This is entirely NOT the original purpose of university.

     

    For instance I remember a avoud santanist who attended St.Johns/St Bens of Minnesota.  Professing the catholic faith should be a prerequisite for entry into a catholic religious institution.  If you are found having extra merital sex, doing drugs, promoting the homosexual lifestyle ect.  These should be grounds for dismissal.  It should be the stated purpose of the institution to teach and form the catholic faith.  Any 'vocational' use of the material taught should be secondary to that purpose.  otherwise it is not a catholic education it is instead a secular education with a catholic component.

     

     

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    noelfitz – I think things are getting better.

    I have a friend who is 28 and a priest.  He says that the difference in seminary between the time he started and the time he graduated is like night and day when it comes to orthadoxy and obidiance to the teachings of rome.  He also says that most of those men who are still intrested in the priesthood are intrested precisely because they are intrested in obediance. 

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    I graduated from Benedictine College, a small liberal arts school in Atchison, Kansas, in 2005.  Quite frankly, they were turning out strong, knowledgeable students left and right.  

     

    The school was started in 1859 by the Benedictine monks, and has grown from 16 students to 1100 students.  It doesn't have the popularity that Franciscan does, but the academics and Catholic identity are just as strong.  

     

    Fishman: Your idea of having dismissing people engaged in immoral activity is precisely against the goal of the Church, to evangelize.  I understand the idea that the Church must teach and form the Catholic faith, however, in denying admission to sinners, you are denying those who are in greatest need of teaching and formation.

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    Fishman

    I agree fully with you.

    In Ireland the number of seminarians is very small, but the quality of these men is outstanding.

    God bless,

    NoelFitz.

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    I would say a non-Catholic teacher at a Catholic school is obliged to present the Catholic faith sympathetically. 

    I wish more of the Catholic ones would — like at Benedictine.

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    MattyMattyChooChoo – a catholic educational institution is the wrong instrument for evangilization of those not yet members of the Catholic Faith. 

    Attempting to use it to form those who are not catholics is detramental to both groups in the same way putting 12th graders and 2nd graders into the same physics class is detrimental.  They have entirely different needs and you must neglect the needs of one to serve the needs of the other.  Catholic education should be for those who wish to learn to be catholic and closed to those who have no intention of such an interest.

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    I'd go futher to say a non-catholic teacher should never be employed at a catholic school.

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    fishman,

    Three thoughts:

    1.  Most of the Catholic teachers in Catholic schools never utter a word about the Catholic faith.  Ask any kid in a Catholic school what his math teacher or gym teacher or science teacher have ever said about the Catholic Faith.  The kid will probably be surprised you even asked. 

    2.  Depending on the demographics of the area, never employing a non-Catholic teacher would eliminate the possibility of having a Catholic school.  That may be your point, I guess.

    3.  Most Catholic schools use the same textbooks as the public schools, except for religion class. The curiculum is not presented from a Catholic worldview, but from a secular, humanistic viewpoint. I've said this elsewhere, but this is why vouchers are a bad idea.  When you accept Caesar's money, you must accept Caesar's rules.  And rule #1 is — Caesar is God. 

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    Protect – I understand the things you are saying here are my thoughts on the issues you very good points you raised.

    1) that is a mistake and needs to change every teacher should realate the material they teach to the catholic faith and faith in general as a mater of practice an ciriculum

     

    2) Depending on demographic it might be reasonable to allow non-catholic teachers but it should only be as a last resort and they should be highered  only until catholic teachers with the same qualifcations can be found

     

    3) again a mistake that should be corrected.  The mission of a catholic school should be to teach and infuse the catholic faith into every aspect of a childs life.  Otherwise why even bother.

     

     

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    As you know I am interested in Catholic Higher Education.  I consider that the future of the Church will be strongly influenced by educated Catholics. 

    Some time ago I found myself defending Notre Dame University and its staff in this CE Roundtable. Recently I was sent an e-mail about a proposed "Vagina Monologues" production in NDU.  Perhaps it is indicative of the state of the Church in the US at present. I quote from part of the email:  

    "We have learned that a student group has begun preparations for another staging of "The Vagina Monologues" soon. 

     

     

    We have examined the controversy over "The Vagina Monologues" thoroughly on the website, noting that it has little to do with violence to women but consists largely of extraordinarily graphic accounts of lesbian and homosexual intercourse… While its performance is an annual rite at countless secular colleges and universities, it is hosted by only a handful of Catholic institutions. (St. Johns University has just joined the ranks of those barring the play.)"

    God bless, NoelFitz. _________________________________________________ In necessariis, unitas; in dubiis, libertas; in omnibus, caritas. _________________________________________________

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    Catholic Higher Education …

    What a concept! 

    I'd throw a stone but I am a sinner.  I will just pray that more schools see Catholicism as something worthy to teach.  God bless you Noel for bring the topic up.

     

    GK – God is good!

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    Fishman, I couldn't disagree with you more.  At BC, we had countless either non-practicing Catholics, or non-Catholics, who converted to or returned to the faith.  My roommate became Catholic, my two suite-mates became Catholic, many of my other friends became Catholic or returned to the Catholic faith after periods of falling away.

     

    The core curriculum at BC includes 9 hours of theology and 6 hours of philosophy.  The strong Catholic identity of the school, and the strong Catholic social network create an ideal place to evangelize to others. 

     

    Furthermore, it should be the mission of PARENTS, THEN the Catholic school to teach and infuse the faith into their children's lives.   

     

    I would agree, however, that teachers should teach the Catholic faith sympathetically.  Even some Catholics have a hard time with this one.

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    MattyMatty – a understand and agree about the mission of the parents , but that is not the issue under discussion.

    What is the Mission of a catholic school?
    Moreover what is thier moral responsiability?

    Giving someone a Gun without a reasonable expectation they will not use it morally is morrally wrong of the giver.

    The same is true with knowledge.
    The faculty and staff of every catholic university has an obligation to ensure that those who obtain that knowledge will use it morrally.

    For instance. If a professor is training someone in rehtoric or philosphy and thier student uses thier training to decieve people into believe there is NOT one only catholic and apostolic church who’s head is at rome THEN the professor is paritally to blame for the loss of any souls that believe thier student. The professor should fail the student rather then let them use a skill in an unworthy fashion.

    So for instance the Catholic universtiy that Bill Clinton graduated from should withdraw his degree and declare it void because he is using the training they gave him to promote abortion , which indicates he did not learn to properly reason about moral issues and therefore does not deserve the credit for any of his philosophy, religion, or politic classes regardless of what grade he earned in them.

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    Part of the obligation of any educator is to ensure that those they educate have a philisophical outlook that allows them to be trusted with the knowledge they are given otherwise the educator is at least complicant in giving someone power to do evil. All knowledge is power.

    Should it be a requirment to be a practicing catholic to enroll in a catholic university ? maybe. Should it be a requiremnt for graduation ? ABSOLUTELY.

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    MattyMatty,

    Graduates of Benedictine College, Atchinson, KS are strong, knowledgeable Catholics who are well prepared to work in God’s vineyard.  What a privilege for a Catholic college to have Dr. Edward Sri teach theology.  A 2005 graduate of Benedictine College is a hard worker in our diocese.  God is good.

    Peace,

    –Vi

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    Fishman,

     

    I would agree with you if the school were a Catholic seminary, or if the school were a school that taught only theology.  However, it is would be absurd for a Catholic school to require students to live their lives a certain way in order to obtain degree in english, art, mathematics, history, business, etc. 

    Your trust is misplaced.  You seem to think that the only thing working here is evil and that we must employ a human control to prevent this evil from occurring, when you must trust the Holy Spirit to work in the lives of those students that may have never encountered Christ. Your solution assumes that the faculty and staff of every Catholic institution is A) knowledgeable of the lifestyles, vices, and virtues of every student, and B) is qualified to point the finger.  You are placing them in a position to judge by their sins, and thus confirm or deny their graduation.  What will the admin do?  Have microphones in confessionals?  Wiretaps?  Video cameras in every dorm room?  

     

    No matter where you go, there will be evil.  You cannot control that.  You CAN do your best at spreading the Gospel, and trust that God will use your work to build the kingdom.

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    Matty you are reading more into what I am saying then what I mean. I am talking specifically about the public actions of a person that can be well known by anyone who is well aquainted with them. so the Wiretaps and such are really over the top.

    On the other hand if you are arested for drugs or promoting doing the V monologs in the drama department it is obvious you are in need of correction. If you are unwilling to take that correction then you should be asked to leave because failure to ask you to leave creates an enviorment non conducive to the studies of the catholic faith.

    I would expect that no one would be excluded from a campus without academic hearing and the ability to defend themselves. I’d also expect that at a catholic university ( unlike what I’ve observed in some public institutions) that a sincere apology and promise to amend the behavior would be more the sufficent for a first offense of any kind.

    Secondly you are underestimating the power of knowledge as a weapon. If I taught you mathmatics and electronics and you used them to build a nuclear bomb to attack the united states, I have culpability if I made no effort to discrimate between those who would use that knowledge morally vice immorally.

    Likewise If I teach you business and you use your skills in a greedy fashion to exploit thousands of works in the third world and then use the wealth you accumulated to push population control and the use of condoms , I share some responsibility because I gave you the skills nessary to do just that.

    Again retoric , history, philosophy they are even MORE dangerious not less because ‘the pen is mighter then the sword’

    Should the staff of a university be at least on speaking terms with every student in thier classes? probably.
    If they aren’t they are being poor teachers, honestly why go sit in a lecture , reading the same material out of a book and discussing it with a few friends is just as effective.
    The real use of lecture should be re-enforcement through interaction with the professor.

    I realize what I’m describing is so far from the ‘norm’ that
    it sounds almost foriegn but what I’m talking about is not ‘what is education in the united states’ but what ‘should catholic education be like’ what are the things that ‘catholic’ faith brings to the idea of education.

    To really develope an understanding of anything you have to start from the first principles.

    What is the idea. To what should we aspire. Then you work on practicalitlies and practice.

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    Matty,You are correct.Thus the importance of requiring theology and philosophy for all undergraduates.

    But very, very few colleges and universities require such courses. the result is millions of college graduates who don't even know what a worldview is, much less what theirs is or what their newspaper editor's is, or what Osama bin Ladin's is. And so forth.

    They have never been taught how to think about thought.

    Hey, that rhymes!

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    The other thing that is assumed in all this is that the faculty is held to at least as high if not a higher standard then the students when it comes to moral conduct.

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    When I was in Rome some time ago and near the Gregorian University I saw the Pope paying the university a visit. 

    It indicated to me how much the Pope values higher education for Catholics. 

    In the future more and more of leadership roles in the Church will be played by lay people.  It is vital to have a well educated clergy and laity. 

    Incidentally, the visit also reinforced the appreciation the Pope has for the Jesuits.  Is it significant that the Pope’s spokesman is now the Jesuit Fr Federico Lombardi who has replaced the Opus Dei member Joaquin Navarro-Valls?  Please see http://www.jesuit.org/sections/default.asp?SECTION_ID=193It 

    God bless,

    NoelFitz.

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    Dear Noel, Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ. All Catholics are given scripture at the Holy Mass twice then follows interpretation of the scriputre in the form of homily. If a Catholic attends Holy Mass weekly, he or she will eventually be educated by the Parish Priest, providing he or she does not fall asleep.In the Holy Love of God I am your brother in Christ and my name is Roy

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    Protect,

    Very few Catholic colleges even adhere to the magisterium.  I know that BC does, and I'm pretty sure Franciscan and UD do. 

     

    Fishman,

    I have to say that I agree with you.  I recall a student who was caught with massive amounts of drugs in his dorm, and he was expelled.  There was a girl who was passing out condoms for valentines day in the boys dorms.  She was banned from said dorms and I'm sure given a warning not to do such things. 

    I think there can often be room for discussion of moral views between students of differing opinions, but I think you're right.  The line is drawn when it becomes a corrosive action (divorce from reason, angry, emotional, offensive, disrespectful, irreverant, etc.). 

    In my experience, there are people who are ignorant and people who are pushing an agenda.  The ignorant people are easy to educate, the agenda people are selfish and power-hungry and their ears are closed.  That being said, having the agenda people on campus has allowed me to have conversations with less knowledgeable students on theology, many of whom have since converted to Catholicism (not of my doing) and have begun discerning the prireligious vocations.  It's God's way of bring good from the bad.

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    I agree with Matty.

    Plus, I would have (a little) less problem with even a Catholic institution missing the mark on following the Magisterium of the Church if everyone received an education on theology and philosophy.  Then they could use their intellect to figure out why the institution departed from the teaching office of the Church.

    I believe many if not nearly all Catholics attending higher educational institutions see them in the secular worldview that the school's mission is to train them in useful information in order for them to get a decent job.

    Of course, that is incorrect.

    It's not about training; it's about education.

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    What is it that allows someone to call what they are a ‘catholic’ school?

    Can I start I school and teach satanisms and call it the catholic school of satanisms ?

    I really wonder why there isn’t more action taken by the bishops against schools that are not in line with the teachings of the Magisterium.

    How much can they really do? I’m gussing it depends on the school charter and how the school is set up.

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    I was thinking last night about what the intent of a university is vs a ‘vacation college’. In reality what we have in the united states today are many schools that retain the structure of a university but are functionally little more the vo-techs.

    My school North Dakota State University is a perfect example:
    We had 2 / 4 resident assistants per floor ( roughly 20 students per RA who were always upper class men).

    The RA reported to the Residence director who also was required to live in the dorm.

    RA were primarily responsible for enforcing the rules:
    1 ) quite hours
    2 ) no unregistered guests ( it was not possible to register guest of the opposite sex . dorm were segregated by sex)
    3 ) dry campus no drinking.

    Students were required to have meal plans and live on campus for the first 2 years that they were students.

    50 years earlier ( when school uniforms were still required)
    students had been required to share meals together ever night.

    If you consider the structure that is in place it gives you a very good idea of what university was MEANT to be.

    The structure was perfect for teaching moral formation through socialization and if properly managed it was capable of doing that quite well. ( of coarse it was not properly managed because a public school can admit to doing no such thing.)

    Why not just provide cheap rental units? Because the social element at work within the university system is PART of the education. Even secular schools know that.

    What seems to not be seriously addressed at some catholic institutions is what is actually being taught by the socialization process on campus. Is what you are teaching catholic or a secular world view.

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    "What seems to not be seriously addressed at some catholic institutions is what is actually being taught by the socialization process on campus. Is what you are teaching catholic or a secular world view."

    A key observation.

    Have we, the participants of this forum, overlooked this?

    Regards,
    Old Sigma

    PS for CE Technical Support: Thank you for adding the navigation options (1 2 Next, etc) for a long thread at the top of the thread.

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    Pouliot

    Good point.

    Thanks for your help and advice on my signature.

    I think  you have that sorted.

    God bless,
    NoelFitz.
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