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Free and Happy!

Curiously, there is something in the human psyche that often learns to appreciate this through suffering. Paul could not see before he was blinded. The lame man Christ healed knew better than we the sheer bliss of just swinging one foot in front of t'other. And so Jesus sends us out to the humble — to the beggars, crippled, lame and blind — because that is what we all are and they are the icons of our race. They can tell us better than anyone what it is to eat, to walk, to see, to appreciate, to rejoice in wonder.

So God gives us the counsel to “go to the lowest place,” not because he likes to watch us crawl, but because he likes to see us free and full of wonder. Neurotic, self-absorbed people forever fretting about attaining the highest cubicle in the Temple of Fame are neither humble nor happy. Free, happy children who never think of themselves because they are lost in wonder are free and happy indeed. They are not paid in the coin of this world, but with the treasures of heaven.


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Pretty Sublime

However, just as we have this lesson under our belts, the author of Hebrews, rather mysteriously, holds up for our contemplation “Mount Zion and the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem,… myriads of angels in festal gathering,… the assembly of the first-born enrolled in heaven,… God the judge of all,… the spirits of just men made perfect, [and] Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant.”

I don't know about you, but this seems pretty sublime to me. What, after all, could be loftier than the vast panoply of heaven and earth flung at us for our contemplation by the author of Hebrews? And yet, Holy Church apparently does not think these things “too sublime” for she does indeed fling them at us for our contemplation. Whatever Sirach is getting at, it can't be “Stop thinking about awesome spiritual realities.” So what do we make of these passages?

Childlikeness

The Gospel gives us the clue: everyone who exalts himself shall be humbled and he who humbles himself shall be exalted. That is, we can seek what is above, but we must do it from the last place. The best seats in the sublime heavenly wedding is in the back. The sublime is appreciated more, not by getting larger, but by getting smaller. The only thing “too sublime” is to seek our own sublimity. To appreciate the glory of all else is open for us.

In our self-esteem-besotted culture, this seems backwards — till we look at our own lives. Our most powerful experiences of the sublime come not as navel-gazing adults, but as children whose gaze is focused entirely and self-forgetfully outward. It is the humble who most appreciate the awesome. It is the self-absorbed who lose the power to appreciate anything, even themselves. That is why Chesterton said that giants who tread down forests like grass are the creations of humility. Better still, humility loves best those wonders which are not our creations at all but exist, against all hope, in the real world. That is why the childlike rejoice to discover that mountains are enormous, or that birds are beautiful, or that snow is cold, or that God is really real.

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    Going on my own, personal experience, it is hard for ANY generation to maintain humility!

    Humility is living in the Truth.  Seeing ourselves as God sees us.  The whole story (not just the rose-colored version we prefer).  It's reality.  And reality is hard to swallow.  We prefer another version of the way things are.

    I know this doesn't get to directly answering your question about the present generation.  I think it is too easy to take a "Woa is me…this generation is the worst we've seen" mentality.  Or a "Back in my day…." perspective.  Instead, I would personally focus on getting this generation (and every generation) closer to Christ and in a personal dialog with God so that they can come to know Him and THEMSELVES better. 

    Then you see all the distractions of today, keeping anyone from getting closer to God, and you see the impediments to humility.

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    Most difficult for this generation. Visual imagery presented to society is most definitely at its greatest point in the history of man. I agree with lpioch in that the father of lies is working overtime spinning alternate realities to the world that in its desires loses itself to sin of all kind.

     

    Contraception. Abortion. Divorce. Me. Me. Me. Alter servers. Women priests. Married priests. Me. Me. Me.

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    The age of entitlement

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    I'd have to agree with lpioch.

     

    It isn't my generation (I'm 27) who eliminated God from public schools, created modern feminazism, tries to clone humans, believes we can control everything in God's creation, weather, climate change, etc..  All of these events have made the Al Gores and Hillary Clintons believe that they are god and they have all of the answers to all of the unanswerable questions.

     

    It also isn't my generation that talks during Mass about gardening or grandkids playing sports.  

     

    I'm not at all saying that my generation is humble and nothing more, but everyone has their fair share of pride.   

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    I guess krish needs to define what generation is meant by "this" as we all look at "this" subjectively. I was thinking in terms of today's 18-25 yr olds. This generation to me would be born in the 80's and one that I would consider Genration "Indifferent" or Generation "Tolerant".

    A generation that believes in the right of the individual to choose. A generation taught by generations that  "eliminated God from public schools, created modern feminazism, tries to clone humans, believes we can control everything in God's creation, weather, climate change, etc.." and provided no stance of their own.

    A generation like every other generation of recent times that believes the end of religion is confirmation. A generation that has said yes to contraception, yes to abortion, no to marriage, yes to pre-marital sex, etc…

    I await the Generation of "the Holy Spirit" – a body of living beings that says yes to God, yes to Church, yes to the Truth.

    I do not see the elderly talking "during" Mass. Before and after some of the elderly generation do this. As a whole, I see them as the most reverent of any generation.

    I'll offer this question, did Vatican II, when it tore down the rails to the sanctuary allow for irreverence in God's house? Did it allow for less humility, less humbling, less submission?

     

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    David, you ask,

    I'll offer this question, did Vatican II, when it tore down the rails to the sanctuary allow for irreverence in God's house? Did it allow for less humility, less humbling, less submission?

    If it did, then I would have to say the humility and submission were grounded on something really shallow.  If the rails were all that lay between being humble and not being humble, then we (humans) are more pathetic than I already think we are!

    If there was true humility and submission before the rails went down, then there would have been after. 

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    lpioch – Your opinion – did it?

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    People are like sheep… bah bah, what? no rails?, cool? bah bah…

    Peace

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    If there was true humility and submission before the rails went down, then there would have been after.

    and there is and was and will be always.

    But what of those who are weak, easily deceived, etc.? Did vatican II blow open the doors to litrugical abuses and irreverence in God's house with or without His Eucharistic Presence?

    I remember reading or hearing somewhere…there was a council or synod and a cardinal cautioned his brethern to be careful not to even leave the window open a crack lest the evil one find his way in to lay waste to the faithful. The faithful, as is seen in this forum, who have differing degrees of faith. Some can not withstand a simple attack while others are willing to be martyrs. To those that are given much, much is required.

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    Rails help in the disciplines of homage.

    A chair helps in resting.

    A desk helps in writing.

    A book gives knowledge.

    Peace

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    This same line of thought crossed my mind two or three years ago when CE produced a short video called "Proud to be Catholic"

    It is hard to cultivate the virtue of humility, especially when we want to place such a high value on pride.

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    I had to laugh, bhokuto…

    …bah bah bah…

    Yes!  Are we like sheep!

     

    David, I do not think Vatican II led to the problems we see today.  I think that, as with all that is Good, Satan immediately attacks and tries to distort it.  Does that mean we cease what is Good so that we do not "encourage" Satan to attack?  Of course not.

    The problems are most certainly from individuals – and there are many – that saw it as an opportune moment to twist and distort.  To let the Enemy do his thing. 

    The good of Vatican II has yet to outweigh the bad that individuals opportunistically forced upon the many.  We are provincial and tunnelvisioned.  40 years is NOTHING in the history of the Church.  "Controversy" always comes when God acts.  The good will shine through and be even stronger because of the evil it faces, fights, and squashes.

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    lpioch – so is it yes or no, because I do not want to interpret incorrectly?

     I do not think Vatican II led to the problems we see today.No

    The problems are most certainly from individuals – and there are many – that saw it as an opportune moment to twist and distort.  To let the Enemy do his thing. Yes?

    The good of Vatican II has yet to outweigh the bad that individuals opportunistically forced upon the many. Yes and no?

     

    People do bad things, not God.

     

    My point for discussion is that certain aspects of Vatican II, certainly not Humanae Vitae, left the window open.

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    If you want a blanket answer, it would have to be NO…vatican II did NOT blow open the doors to litrugical abuses and irreverence in God's house with or without His Eucharistic Presence. 

    However, INDIVIDUALS took advantage of a situation that actually did not exist.  They took advantage of liturgical (not moral or dogmatic) changes to infuse confusion and to do as they wanted, not as they ought.  NO…it was not Vatican II.  It was sinful people.  Some out of ignorance.  Some out of evil malice.

    As for leaving the window open, I say NO…Vatican II did not leave the window open.  GOD left the window open when He gave us freewill.

    A fully closed window necessarily means no freewill.

     

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    So that you don't misunderstand me, and the window, it is not leaving it open, it is opening a closed one{ I know I wrote, "left the window open"}. Change for the sake of change or change for the purpose of bringing men to God. Vatican II and all councils before have as their purpose defining the faith and leading the faithful to God.

    Also, I think we need to consider who "they" are. These INDIVIDUALS-I read and understood when you wrote the word in lower case-that took advantage of liturgical (not moral or dogmatic) changes to infuse confusion and to do as they wanted, not as they ought. Are they not some of the same bishops who comprised the body of Vatican II? How else would they be able twist and distort whether by ignorance or malice?

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    Freedom it the wrong hands leads to chaos.

    Thus defenders are born, of the faith.  Clean house. Good housekeeping measures.

    Peace

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    David,

    Have you read the documents of Vatican II?  If so, you find very quickly (especially reading translations into English that are good) that Vatican II and the documents of Vatican II are not the problem. 

    Who are THEY?

    Some are bishops.  Some are priests.  Some are laity.  Listed in order of likely knowledge.

    THEY are anyone who, for innocent or malicious reasons, became opportunistic to put forward their own ideas instead of the mind of the Church.  I cannot be more specific than that. 

    As for opening a closed window, I don't think that is what happened.  If it is, then didn't Christ open a closed window when He was born?  When He began his ministry?  When he died on the Cross?  When he rose from the dead?  When the apostles began to spread the faith?  When the apostles and disciples were inspired to write?  When the Church cannonized the Bible?  The list is long.

    For that matter, didn't God open a closed window when he created the angels, giving them the choice to accept or reject him?

    Didn't God open a closed window when he created humanity and gave them freewill?

    Actions and decisions and changes cannot be done based on fear.  They must be done based on love.  The "Don't do Vatican II because it might let the devil in" argument is fear-based.  It rejects the notion that God can give grace above and beyond what we need.  It rejects the notion that Christ has already won the battle with The Enemy.

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    Yes, I own most if not all of them.

    I am not asking you to be specific, I am asking that we consider who they are and that most certainly some were involved directly in Vatican II.

    The "Don't do Vatican II because it might let the devil in" argument is fear-based.  It rejects the notion that God can give grace above and beyond what we need.  It rejects the notion that Christ has already won the battle with The Enemy.

    I never said don't do Vatican II because it might let the devil in. We've done Vatican II and it has flaws because we are human.

    If it is, then didn't Christ open a closed window when He was born?  When He began his ministry?  When he died on the Cross?  When he rose from the dead?  When the apostles began to spread the faith?  When the apostles and disciples were inspired to write?  When the Church cannonized the Bible?  The list is long.

    For that matter, didn't God open a closed window when he created the angels, giving them the choice to accept or reject him?

    Didn't God open a closed window when he created humanity and gave them freewill? No the window wasn't opened in these instances. The same way it wasn't opened when Paul VI went against they who would allow for contraception. What truth did Christ twist when He was born? When He began His ministry… You are misconstruing my use of window.

    Yes, we must do for love. God admonishes for love. He disciplines for love. Did we change for love of God or love of self. Were we proud in our faith and envious of the priest?

    To determine that certain aspects of Vatican II were flawed does not reject the notion that God can give grace or that Christ won the battle. The window is closed on that matter.

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    I guess I do misunderstand your open window usage.  When I read "open a window" implied to me is "and let The Enemy in".  The window itself can be neutral.  Even its being open can be neutral.  There's a difference between "inviting" The Enemy in and simply his being able to get in.

    I suggest Vatican II was an opportunity for The Enemy to get in…just like all positive and good events (as listed above).  But he was not specifically invited in by Vatican II. 

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    back to humility. Did we change for the love of God or self? 

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    It depends on what change you're talking about.  Are you speaking specifically ONLY to liturgical change?  I'm not sure I can answer that anyway.  So I will have to fall back to theory.  If the Holy Spirit guided Vatican II (which I believe he did), then what was ACTUALLY enacted was from God. 

    Abuses that followed were not.

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    Most definitely the liturgical changes and I appreciate the fact that you can not speak to the mind of an individual or group.

    Thank you for reminding me of the role of the Holy Spirit as I was focusing on perceived effects of the change to some, failing to see that the change itself, whether it be as minute as the priest facing the congregation or restructuring the sanctuary as to make it more "user" friendly, does not have as great a bearing on one's path to holiness as much as those that would seek to manipulate this "freedom" into something for their own agenda.

    I guess you could label me a traditionalist that believes the magesterium holds a great responsibility in guiding its flock and on some issues I feel the flock guided the shepherd. Such as contraception and the backlash from within the Church to Humane Vitae. 

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    Humility?

    Christ was humble. 

    Humility has everything to do with ourselves.  Once we start looking at other people and judging if they have the "proper" amount of humility, we have lost the war.  Satan loves us to strap on the mask of judging others humility.  It elevates us automatically. 

    I am a proud bloated chunk of wood floating down the stream.

    We need to pray for humility, lead by example or fail.  Through God's grace we can become more humble.  One truly humble soul will change the world … example Mother Teresa.  Anti-example: me.

    krish,

    I think our modern age makes it very easy for us to be proud.  We have communication and electronic tools that make us more powerful than we really are.  We have the internet to gather mounds of information much more quicker than we deserve.  We stand on other people's shoulders all the time and think we are tall because of our own doing.  We hardly ever consider God as the source of it all and any of it as pure gift.  So, I agree that we are, all of us in the US from age 123 down to 3, a proud generation.  And humility is the hardest thing in the world to achieve.

    Pardon me, I have to go pat myself on the back and treat myself to a nice weekend to make up for all the work I have done this week.  Ah, Labor day!

    GK – God is good!

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    How about this one:

    About one hundred and sixty years ago, a Scottish surgeon named Sir James Simpson made an important discovery. In 1847, Dr. Simpson was conducting experiments with chloroform. He realized that by using chloroform, doctors could perform operations without causing pain to their patients. His discovery revolutionized modern medicine.

    Toward the end of his life, Simpson was lecturing at the University of Edinburgh. One of the students asked him what he considered his most valuable discovery. The students expected him to recount how he came upon the medical use of chloroform. To the surprise of the students, Dr. Simpson replied, "My most valuable discovery was when I discovered myself a sinner and that Jesus Christ was my Savior."

     

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    Dear Protect the Rock, I do not wonder what Christ would have to say about the use of highly concentrated chemical intervention in the treatment of human illness. Christ healed by prayer and the power of God. If you want to take a bottle of pills to stay alive, then I will send you my sympathy in the form of a greeting card.

    In the Holy Love of God I am your brother in Christ and my name is Royal

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    David

     

    "his generation to me would be born in the 80's and one that I would consider Genration "Indifferent" or Generation "Tolerant".

    A generation that believes in the right of the individual to choose. A generation taught by generations that  "eliminated God from public schools, created modern feminazism, tries to clone humans, believes we can control everything in God's creation, weather, climate change, etc.." and provided no stance of their own.

     

    A generation like every other generation of recent times that believes the end of religion is confirmation. A generation that has said yes to contraception, yes to abortion, no to marriage, yes to pre-marital sex, etc…"

     

    I must protest your labeling the kids of the 80's as "Generation Indifferent and Generation Tolerant".  My generation were not, by any means, the first to say yes to contraception, abortion, pre-marital sex, and no to marriage.  As I recall, the attitude of the 60's generation sounded something like "If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with".  Griswold vs. Connecticut (Contraception) and Roe vs.Wade (abortion) were products of the late 60's and early 70's. 

     

    Tolerance is the motto of the day for the baby-boomer run liberal democrats.  However, they're not so tolerant of views and ideals that clash with their own.  Were your conservative views ever shouted down by a professor during class discussion in college?  Were you ever given a failing grade on a paper or in a class because the topic questioned a liberal democrat view?  

     

    Pre-marital sex (again, promulgated by the sexual liberation movement of the 60s and 70s) and no marriage are products of the baby-boomers.  No fault divorce was something that evolved when the 80s generation was still in grade school.  With no fault divorce came the destruction of the family and marriage altogether.  

     

    The 80s generation did not create these practices, they were taught by the generations before them. 

     

     

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    Matty, et al – do you enter these forums looking to discuss or argue? Why do you feel attacked  personally when at issue is an entire generation, not MattyChooChoo.

    First, I did not write "his generation…", I wrote "this generation…" 

    Secondly, I wrote a, "a generation taught by generations" before you used the words to sum up your post.

    Thirdly, I wrote, "a generation like every other generation of recent times".

    I do not think it incorrect, if we can sum up the 60's and 70's as the "love the one your with" generation, to summarize the 80's as going with the flow, whatever it might be.

    And while the products of the sexual revolution were not created by the 80's generation, their certainly not shouting from the rooftops to stop the inasanity.

    A question, how many stood with you in class to drown out the professor?

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    About half of the students in my classes had this sort of issue.  The same with using "women" instead of "womyn" in term papers.  

     

    Many students are told to back down, and are threatened with academic punishment for voicing opposing views.  The film "Indoctrinate U" exposes academia's obsession with stifling the conservative opposition.  

     

    To answer your question, about half of the students in each of my classes were courageous enough to take a stand, but they knew the Dean of Academics was on their side.  To many students at public universities, that is not the case.  The rule of going to college for conservatives is "keep under the radar for four years, don't piss anyone off, and you may get to keep your scholarship.  Kids actually lose scholarships for questioning or contradicting the liberal tripe in colleges.  What then is the point of standing up?  My generation has been beaten into submission.  

     

    Furthermore, it is difficult to "stop the insanity" of the sexual revolution when the public schools allow Planned Parenthood to teach sex-ed.  A man was actually arrested when he went to his 4-year-old kid's public school to ask the school to inform him before teaching about homosexuality. 

     

    It is very difficult for a very young generation to change an entire society, when they were indoctrinated from birth by said society and their parents.  Is it fair to say that kids who turn out well generally come from good parents?  Or that good parents generally turn out good kids?  If the parents are alcoholics, the kids learn a certain behavior.  If the parents are very open sexually, the kids learn that is okay.  Child abuse is a learned behavior.  I ti s very difficult for one person to stop their own behavior, much less a whole generation to change a society.

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    It is very difficult for one person to stop their own behavior, much less a whole generation to change a society.

    Ahh. That it is, but the 60's and 70's managed. Through Christ all things are possible.

    Wheras it is fair to say that a good tree will bear good fruit, it is also true that one are all in the end responsible for ourselves. I find it remarkable when people say to me, "your son{10 mos – year} is so smart because look, you tell him to go to daddy and he does." I say all humans are like processing computers, you feed them information and look out. Some can not express themselves as wholly as most, but within all of them is the ability to love.

    At issue here is a lack of humility present in all of us but in particular the present generation which as of yet has not been defined. I see the youth – 12 to 18 – as a great display of boldness. The media and clothing manufacturers along with an indifferent attitude have promulgated a western culture whereby it is it very difficult to maintain a chaste and modest posture.

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    David,

     

    I agree with your statement that we are all responsible for ourselves.  However, we do not all start out on the same plane, and thus our culpability is not always equal. On the other hand, I tend to be a huge proponent of personal accountability. 

     

     I do not understand your statement "but the 60's and 70's managed. Through Christ all things are possible." Are you saying they changed society through Christ?  Or that the generation of the 60's and 70's has changed now from how things were in the 60's and 70's?  Please clarify for my own sake.

     

    I think much of the difficulty in addressing the issue of humility of generations is that each has a different duration on earth.  The generation of the 60's and 70's has around long enough that they control many facets of our society, whereas my generation still getting our feet wet. We're still jumping through hoops in our careers, politics, etc..

     

    The more I think about it, the more I realize this massive debate of finding the most prideful generation, the more I realize that it's like trying to determine who owns sin.  All people in all generations sin, and all generations have common sins.  The only difference is which sin. 

     

    I apologize if I have hurt anyone. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Are you saying they changed society through Christ?  No. I am saying that they changed society period. You had stated, "it is difficult… much less a whole generation to change a society." To that I say, "through Christ all things are possible."

    You haven't hurt me. I just saw in your comments a defense of something that is indefencible by an individual and I didn't understand your comment about discussing grandkids and gardening.

    We still haven't heard from krish about which current generation she speaks of and I might add the question wasn't about who is more prideful just that "this" present generation appears to be boastful and is it hard for them to be humble and why?

    I profer that it is very difficult for any generation in this day and age with the onslaught of materialism and the influence of mass media vis a vis the 60's, 70's and 80's. As stated, to be raised in this environment increases the risk of falling prey to the sin of pride.

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    David,

     

    On the topic of grandkids and gardening, I am speaking from daily experience.  It is indefensible for you to say it never happens anywhere.  I am pretty sure you have not been to every Catholic Church in the world, much less my Catholic Church at any given Mass. 

     

    I agree with your final paragraph.  We should not try to divide our current population by generation, as it would also be potentially inaccurate to compare this generation's sinful temptations with that of previous eras. 

     

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    On the topic of grandkids and gardening, I am speaking from daily experience. I realize that, I still say it is non sequitur.

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    humility means mindset and heartset of others first and foremost always.  Self is excluded entirely before God who rewards us in the next life.  Today we become small for tomorrow the smallness becomes extra large.  Yet once the soul has mastered humility and being small it becomes easier to accept and virtues become real life.  This is called perfection.  We see it afar as the next set of clothing to put on in some cases.  Be clothed with humility says St. Paul.  

    A gauge to measure ones humility:  Jesus is not a good example for us to follow in this case because He is God and He is Judge, King, Redeemer, Savior and more all roled into one.  He is too high for US to reach!  We instead should realize that He is God and kneel before Him, this is the first step in becoming small.  We are tiny any way you look at it.  The mistake Satan made was that he thought he was bigger than God.
    Major Pride syndrome.

    Next we should imitate Christs gestures of love and compassion, mercy forgiveness.  Parse His gestures from His Divinity the Man side, such as caressing children, giving bread to the poor, praying, working day and night to bring the Message of Mercy and Hope, such and such.  When we look at the God side it is too high to achieve for man we are not God.  That is for the gifted to heal and raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons.  We are chump change until we conquer virtues.

    I was intrigued by Royals comment about conversion taking a lifetime as this is true.
    We start out as seedlings, get watered by all kinds of wrong colored water some too sweet, some to bitter, some tasteless.  Then when we find the right water which is blood and water mixed together, which we have to get acclamated to, the flesh refuses it for periods as there maybe some lingering demon claws, left behinds we did not recognize as such, storms come, dry periods come, growth gets staunted, go back to wrong water, soul refuses the wrong water, the flesh likes it.  Somewhere in there the light is brightly shinning and saying this is the correct way to go.  Yet both good and bad are present.  Have to cutdown wrong branches that sprung up and till the ground and allow the good seeds more room to grow.

    Peace

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    Bobo – Now that you've defined humility and how we can put it into practice, how about the question: 

    "Is it hard for the present generation to maintain humility and why?"

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    humility is the topic of discussion and the solution to the problem.

    humility is the greatest of all human virtues ( it is one that is mostly can be brought about through ones one work). 

    It is essentially the atitude of being willing to recieve grace, to recieve with joy correction castizement as needed.  It is lack of humility that is cause of protestanism.  It is lack of humility that allows for libralism.

    Humility is not servile, it is the most and correctly lagitimate response to God.  The predispostion to love.  Love is the highest of devine virtues and no one can love except by the grace of God.

     

     

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    If you want to grow in humility pray simply this:

    "lord how am I and who are you".

     

    You will be given many opertunities to see who you are and who he is and thus many opertunities to be humble about how loathsome you are and how holy he is.  Do you really want those opertunities though?

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    don't take it the wrong way, but this is the reason for my topic: you answer my questions, I'll answer yours.

    Fishman, it is a pleasure to read your posts once again. Now to the topic:

    "Is it hard for the present generation to maintain humility and why?". How would you guys answer this question?

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    DTG,

    I think our modern age makes it very easy for us to be proud.  We have communication and electronic tools that make us more powerful than we really are.  We have the internet to gather mounds of information much more quicker than we deserve.  We stand on other people's shoulders all the time and think we are tall because of our own doing.  We hardly ever consider God as the source of it all and any of it as pure gift.  So, I agree that we are, all of us in the US from age 123 down to 3, a proud generation.

    GK – God is good!

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    "Is it hard for the present generation to maintain humility?Yes – but I do not believe it is harder. why?.  I do not think the present ‘generation of men’ are at any greater disadvantage then the many generations of early Christians and Jews who lived amongst the Pagans of the world.  Each generation has it’s trials and to me it seems inconsistent with Justice if it is ‘harder’ for one generation to love God and be holy then another. There are challenges to faith in every generation and temptations to Pride.  The variables may change but as one rises the other falls so that justice is maintained.    We live in a culture predominated by pride where pride is exposed as a virtue.‘self-esteem’ ‘proud to be an American /Canadian/ European / Japanese ’  etc.Pride itself has become a cult and a god.  Still it is no more dangerous then the cult of Zues was in Roman times or the cult of the emperor.    

    Needless to say it is VERY hard to be truly humble, but I think it always has been.

     I think humility is meant to be hard because is a very certain way it is the state of ‘working as we can’ to be ready to receive God’s grace.    In the time of st. francis ( 1200 ) one of his brothers was known to remark: “what man there that would not carry a pile of dung on their heads through the city for 1000 gold coins.  Why is it men are unwilling to do the same for an equal treasure in heaven?”  The problems stay the same because the enemy hasn’t changed. 

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    It is hard because we are in a culture which glorifies pride as a virtue instead of a vice. We are also influenced by our technology and media so we all have a self-image of us starring in our own movie

    "It's the PTR show! Starring PTR! With special guest appearance by fishman and gk!"

    With our self-made pride machines constantly screaming all this at us, it is hard to be humble and hear Jesus whispering from the cross, "I love you."

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    It is hard to humble.

    By the way I'd love to be in the show.

    GK – God is good!

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    Amen, brothers, Amen. Don't I know it.

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    protect – I think the self image of ourselves starring in our own movie is not a artifact of technology as much as an artifact of 'original sin'.

     

    We are born known only our own prespective.  We assume at first that we are all that is and only discover others aftewards and slowly.  That was one proof that St. Augustine used to argue the existance of orignal sin.  Babies are born 100% self-centered, they understand nothing else.

     

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    David,

    mortification.  turning against a tide of vice.  identifying each one of the seven major vices as they popup.  most are mixed together.  strongest ones are the tough ones.  
    Often reading the beattitudes Matt 5,6,7.  the written word has a way of rooting out bad thoughts if consistent.

    Peace

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    to be humble we must confess our pride – confession, with prayer and sacrifice. Confession would also be helpful in regards to intelligence and wisdom. Prayer for wisdom, confess abusing intelligence, 

    Remember, the Sun is always shining!

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    become small and submit to the humble wisdom of the Holy Mother.

    Peace

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    bhokuto – I think you are correct in your idea about the holy mother.

    Many people draw the line when it comes to submitting to other men and or women, but if someone has been 'rightfully' granted authrity over you then so long as thier authority and command is rightious ( aka of or from God) we are bound to obey.  devotion to the holy mother , who is , 'only a creature' although the most beatiful amongs all human creatures , is exactly a sign of that.  It is the cure for haughtiness, a form of pride that says ' i will not submit to any 'human' authority'.

     

     

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    fishman,

    I've been reading daily messages from a very thick small book that is full
    of her wisdom.  at times the wording strikes me and I have think about the way the words are written.  what is she getting at? what is the message?
    the more I read and pray I find myself changing.  there is a daily consecration prayer to be recited morning and night along with a two hour canton to be recited weekly.  it's a wonderful book of messages.  

    I think about submitting to authority, today we see authority so unjust
    and selfish, it rubs you the wrong way.  Then people who are really good people are unwilling to talk because they see the corruption. Some tell tale signs about these people some words:  go away, I don't
    have time for that, do it yourself, etc.,.  This is a great crime against these good folks.  

    Authority, I think it best to submit to the Holy Mother who changes us within so we see others as lost souls. Not out of arrogance but out of love.  I used think why submit to corrupt cruel authority who are egotistical and self centered.  Then I discovered the words 'have pity on them', pray for all.  Rosary does just that.  I need to change inside, getting rid of resentment, animosity, envy, anger these things hinder the light.  

    The ideas are stuck in your head that when one deals with non-believinng, non-practicing Christian authority, regardless of your disposition that what's in your mind is they are like me and want to deal peacefully in good manner to take care of any issues.  Then when you are struck with harsh demeanor and words, well there goes the neighborhood.  Lack of patience, understanding of the person your dealing with and the issue at hand goes blind and wella, your in their realm.  Help me Mother! break time run off to the car and say a quick decade, then return
    and apologize for being a poor example. Such is life. Man is still man and
    it really —-.  That's when I weep inside because I failed.

    Peace 

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    Humility is a great virtue. I've tried to practice it faithfully all my life. Many of my colleagues, however, have no sense of humility, and promote themselves as if they were in some sort of contest. It's disappointing to watch. I seek the humility the Lord exemplified and taught — He who went amongst the poor, preaching, teaching and healing the down-trodden in desperate need of hope and self-respect.

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    My daughter attends a very good Catholic college and has been amazed at the seeming humility contests that go on among the students.

    "I pray before the Blessed Sacrament an hour every day."

    "I go twice a day."

    "I fast every first Friday."

    "I fast every Friday."

    And so on.

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    We are all equal in the eyes of God, which is all that matters. I spent much of my life believing foolishness spoken by many. At last I know that Christ’s truth alone sustains me. For me, there is no other reason to exist.

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